Nigel, I understood you. The fact is, that nearly every key combination is doable by one means or another; but people are talking about inconvenient key combinations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations Flor, I don't think you understood me. I meant you use the right hand for the insert and control keys. This leaves your left hand totally free for the I key. Nigel It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with it. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations > Some people naturally have small hands, so it'd be a stretch for the > left hand to i. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:04 PM > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations > > > Control insert I is pretty easy if you use your right hand for insert > and > control (on the right side of the keybord) and your left hand for the I. > > Thanks, > Nigel > It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with > it. > ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations > > >> That's a real wrist-breaker. >> >> Iain. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx> >> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:42 AM >> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations >> >> >> Regarding the use of the alt key: Has anybody else noticed that > recent >> versions of JAWS also think that our alt-gr (right alt & ctrl key) is >> 'alt'; and not 'ctrl-alt' as JAWS used to know it? What it is is that >> they're taking the English-US keyboard layout as the norm: whereas, > JAWS >> should be taking the correct key designation from whichever keyboard >> layout one is actually using at the time. >> >> There's a fairly acrobatic keystroke for registering (or something) > your >> WordPerfect with JAWS, and that is, ctrl-insert-i. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Wood" <scott.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:48 PM >> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Key Combinations >> >> >> Hi Ian >> >> An interesting question. It's not only the four key ones that are >> contortionist. I find some of the three key ones pretty >> finger-twisting. The one I've been using recently is the MS Word one >> for insert the date, shift+alt+D. it's just that none of the keys > fall >> into ergonomic simplicity and I have to hold down alt+D with the left >> hand, which isn't usual, and the shift with the right. Once you get >> used to it, it becomes easier but it takes some practice. >> >> I reckin we're running out of permutations. It would be interesting > to >> hear whether anyone had any ideas about how we might find other ways > of >> executing commands other than hotkeys. The old Frank Audiodata used > to >> have a dedicated keypad wich could be programmed and you could do a > lot >> more than you can these days without worrying about conflicting with >> other MS commands. >> >> Regards ... Scott >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Iain Lackie >> To: jaws >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:16 PM >> Subject: [jaws-uk] Key Combinations >> >> >> Hello, >> I have had cause in recent days to use the four-key combination to >> examine the advanced features of webpage elements and it caused me to >> wonder if anyone would like to suggest what they think the most >> unreachable JAWS key combination might be. There is no doubt that >> Freedom Scientific encourage us to go in for a high degree of manual >> contortionism. >> >> Iain. >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: > 21/10/2005 >> >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq