[isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA
- From: "Jerry Young" <jerrygyoungii@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:35:12 -0400
Jim,
"*Right now, there are *_NO_* validated non-MS platforms.*"
This is what needs to be clearly stated. Again, depending on how you read
it, a user may not get this. My point is really simply that; when
specifically put forth in the same way you just put it, there's no room for
argument. My guess is a lot of users out there will read into this the same
way I did (optimistically), or worse yet, move forward thinking that support
will come, only to run into an issue with said support when a problem occurs
that requires it. At the end of the day, fair or not, Microsoft gets the
black eye. By making it clear (without having to dig through links and
guess at implied statements) upfront, I think greater value and service to
the customers is provided.
On 8/26/08, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> It's only misleading if you read into it. Let's take each bullet in turn:
>
> * Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> * Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2008
> [Jim] - ok; we'll take two at a time. Hyper-V Server and Windows 2008 with
> Hyper-V are the same thing from the guest OS perspective and ISA is
> supported there.
>
> * Supported partners' virtualization software
> For more information, click the following article number to view the
> article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
> 944987 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944987/) Support partners
> for non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software
> [Jim] This article doesn't list supported virtualization products. It
> lists virtualization support partners. Novel has signed on to help provide
> support for non-MS virtualization; nothing more. The bullet title in this
> article is misleading, but the article linked to is not.
>
> * Server Virtualization Validation Program (SVVP)
> For more information, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
> http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/ (
> http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/)
> [Jim] - go read this link. Right now, there are *_NO_* validated non-MS
> platforms. Therefore, there are no supported 3rd-party hardware
> virtualization products (yet). Therefore, no Microsoft products are
> supported on 3rd-party virtualization. The vendors listed on that site are
> "participating"; their products *_have not_* completed testing.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Young
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:02 AM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA
>
> Jim,
>
> Then the KB Article 957006 is extremely misleading. :(
>
> Here's an excerpt (in full) taken from the Introduction section.
>
> This article discusses the support policy for running Microsoft server
> software in the following supported virtualization environments:
>
>
> * Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> * Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2008
> * Supported partners' virtualization software
> For more information, click the following article number to view the
> article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
> 944987 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944987/) Support partners
> for non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software
> * Server Virtualization Validation Program (SVVP)
> For more information, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
> http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/ (
> http://www.windowsservercatalog.com/svvp/)
>
> In my interpreted version of this statement into layman terms, I read it as
> saying all of the bulleted environments are supported; specifically, any
> environment that is part of the Server Virtualization Validation Program.
>
> If you visit that page, VMWare, Inc. is listed as a participating
> vendor. If you then visit the Support link from that page, the first
> sentence states, "Technical support will be available for customers running
> a Windows Server operating system on a validated third-party
> hypervisor." Since ESX Server is a hypervisor and participation implies (at
> this time, based on language) validation, the support statement does appear
> to be transitive.
>
> I could not find anything specifically stating that the applications
> identified in the KB Article are only currently being supported in Hyper-V
> virtualized environments.
>
> If Microsoft is going to withhold support of the applications identified in
> the KB Article on other vendor's virtualization environments, then some kind
> of language should be used indicating that such support is pending [insert
> qualifier].
>
> Just my $0.02 worth.
>
> On 8/26/08, Jim Harrison <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> That KB lists the products that are supported on Hypervisor.
> Greg's questions was specific to VMWare ESX.
>
> This will be a very sticky question and
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/ provides the support limits.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Young
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:46 AM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Virtualising ISA
>
> Greg,
>
> ISA Server is supported.
>
> See the following KB Article for the full details on all supported
> virtualized applications from Microsoft.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006
>
> On 8/26/08, Greg Mulholland <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> Jim and/or others
>
> Is there an official standpoint from MS as to supported
> requirements for ISA virtualised in production environments? (specifically
> ESX)
>
> Cheers
>
> Greg
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