[isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:03:47 -0500
Hi Mohemed,
By the way, I hope you didn't take my rant the wrong way. It wasn't
meant to be personal or anything, and I can see that you're a fan of the
ISA firewall which is a good thing. Your comments just touched a nerve
regarding all the b*llsh*tology I hear from Cisco kewl-ayd drinkers and
based your opinions on the ISA firewall without evening knowing or
considering the facts.
Just wanted to know that I still appreciate your input and that we're
still friends :)
Thanks!
Tom
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7>
MVP -- ISA Firewalls
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Egyptian Mind
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:01 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Nothing is secure like PIX
http://www.ISAserver.org
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Dears,
No doubt that ISA 2000 or 2004 or even 2006, have increased the
possibility of controling user access,,, by allowing or denying the
browsing or a tiny issue like downloding gif and not downloading jpg as
an example..
This shows how much we can control user action,,,
Moreover, features like firewall services, securing VPN
connection, Nating, Publishing web sites, etc.... are very helpfull
features to make or Network Control is much easier...
But Nothing is secure like PIX...
I don't mean that PIX is more secure than ISA, or more capable
of handling requests... I'm talking about features and design and even
the hardware specification.... There is no comparison between ISA and
PIX
I'm here, in my network ; using two failover PIX and two
clustering ISA servers as well.. every device has it's
responsiblities...
ISA is responisble for handling he request from users and
filtering it depends on customized rules, and the great thing that ISA
server is a domain member, so I can customized the rules directly to
specific user ,,,
PIX is my Huge Body Guard which stand infront of my Out Door, to
filter any request come in or out my door... YEs ..( in or out ) not
just in .... and it is built on a very advanced built-in program in the
hardware it self, it is the adaptive security algorithm, which has alot
of tools to scan the coming packet,... like if we said , the
ultravoilet, infarraed, and eye scanner and everything...
It's a very adaptive algorithm and it's very hard to
penetrate,,, note that this alogorithm is working on every packet goes
or come , also depend on your own cutomized rule you make on PIX,,,
and instead that the windows how operates, the adaptive security
algorithm are running using the same processing speed of it's processor,
as it is already loaded in the PIX processor and rams..
How faster do you think it will be !!!!!!?????
it also has a complete secure process for VPN connection and
PATING, NATING , ... etc
But PIX is not function as layer 7 appliance, so we use ISA for
this purpose,,, to control the Application layer and presentation
layer... nothing more, nothing less,, and also because PIX is not
integrating with Active Directory..
Finally, PIX is mandatory for security, and ISA is mandatory for
controling... but if we talked about the ability to be hacked , I think
you will agree with me that hacking a program runing on Windows platform
is much easier from penetrating program runing on security dedicated
appliance........ (( you can ask Bill Jates about it ))
Best Regards
Mohamed Saleh
Senior Network Administrator
College of Business Administration, CBA
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Tel: +966-02-6563199 ext 2521
Cell: - +966-50-2953591
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From: "Shane Mullins" <tsmullins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe) ...firewall
?
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:12:08 -0400
>http://www.ISAserver.org
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> Good Deal,
>
> We have used ISA since Proxy 2.0. I really liked the
upgrade
>from 2.0 to ISA 2000. But, I really really like ISA
2004. Some of
>the new features are great, esp in the VPN areas,
stateful packet
>inspection. Also, I like the way ISA integrates into
AD, this is
>huge if you are a Windows shop. Also, there are some
third party
>snap ins that are very helpful.
>
>Shane
>
>PS I also really enjoyed reading your ISA 2004 book.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W Shinder"
><tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:33 AM
>Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe)
...firewall ?
>
>
>http://www.ISAserver.org
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Shane,
>
>No problems, that's how I took it! :)
>
>The PIX tax reminds of when in the middle ages you
could pay the
>church
>to absolve you of your sins. The situation here is that
they're
>paying
>Cisco for their sin of slothfullness. Slothful in that
they haven't
>spent the time and effort to understand real network
security and
>blindly pay a router and switch company big money to
protect
>comporate
>data (does anyone see the paradox in this?)
>
>Thanks!
>Tom
>
>Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>Site: www.isaserver.org
>Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Shane Mullins
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:56 AM
>>To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe)
...firewall ?
>>
>>http://www.ISAserver.org
>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Hey Thomas,
>>
>> I meant that to be a plug for ISA 2004. I think ISA
2004
>>is great. We
>>have two ISA 2004 boxes that firewall and provide
internet
>>access for 3,500
>>machines. ISA 2004 has been rock solid for us. ISA
2004
>>provides advanced
>>logging and caching functions that a "hardware"
firewall
>>cannot provide. I
>>have nothing against unix, but ISA 2004 is great.
>> We could have paid 50k for a single pix to provide
>>firewall services.
>>Then signed up for a 5k a year maintenance agreement
(so we could
>>rcv
>>updates). And all machines need updates, even
"hardware"
>>firewalls have an
>>OS. And ISA still does so much more.
>>
>>Shane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 6/19/06, Thomas W Shinder <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> >> http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> Yes, it's that good. Go Daddy and the ISP are
clueless.
>>Have you ever
>> >> talked to your ISP's "tech guys" who make these
>>recommendations? Let's
>> >> just say that the typical interaction leaves you
with the
>>feeling that
>> >> they're not on the top of the firewall and
networking food
>>chains :)
>> >>
>> >> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>> >> Site: www.isaserver.org
>> >> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>> >> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>> >> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Shane
>>Mullins
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:10 PM
>> >> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Hardware.... (cringe)
...firewall ?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >> >
-------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > ISA 2K4 is really good? There is an eval
version. Maybe he
>> >> > would let you
>> >> > try that.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Shane
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" <kavalec@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:08 PM
>> >> > Subject: [isalist] Hardware.... (cringe)
...firewall ?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >> > >
-------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > My boss has been talking to our ISP and also
to some folks
>> >> > at GoDaddy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Both use - and recommend - hardware firewall
solutions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What do I tell him? He is poised to make one
of those
>>classic PHB
>> >> > > decisions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > (currently on ISA 2K)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > G. Waleed Kavalec
>> >> > > -------------------------
>> >> > > Why are we all in this handbasket
>> >> > > and where is it going so fast?
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