Oh, joy. Injury on top of insult here. Now, instead of just a man ripping off his clothes, you add the image of said man performing the badger dance - and the mushroom and the snake? I don't want to even go there. Cordially yours, Jerry G. Young II MCSE (4.0/W2K) Atlanta EES Implementation Team Lead ECNS Microsoft Engineering Unisys 11493 Sunset Hills Rd. Reston, VA 20190 Office: 703-579-2727 Cell: 703-625-1468 THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:19 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you create such an image? As punishment: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Cassidy Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:30 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX Like he needs another excuse to run into a phone booth and rip his clothes off.... ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:33 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX That would make Jim "Superman of Firewalls"! Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Cassidy Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:03 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX The "Clark Kent" of firewalls.... ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:11 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX Normally mild mannered? :) Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Becker Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:44 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Nothing is secure like PIX An impressive outburst from the normally mild mannered TWS. Enjoyed it immensely! JB On Wednesday, June 21, 2006, at 08:05 AM, Thomas W Shinder wrote: Hi EM, You are right. PIX is not very secure. It's a router with some advanced ACLs and does neat routing tricks. But when it comes to security, you're very very wrong that it's more secure. Hardware doesn't fall from heaven, and all "hardware" is controlled by software, and Syphco's core compentancy is not application protection -- it's routing and switching. I agree that there is no comparison between PIX and ISA -- only a fool would be convinced that they get any real security from a PIX, becuase they never took the time to learn about network security and what the end game was. Check Point? That's another story.