[isalist] Re: Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware Recomendations
- From: "Eric Holtzclaw" <eric_holtzclaw@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:19:09 -0800
I have no problems with deploying and no fingers pointing just packets.
Eric
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:33 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware
Recomendations
Introducing layer 4-7 guarantees that you'll incur troubleshooting issues
that will result in a good amount of finger pointing except for the most
simple publishing scenarios.
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
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MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:42 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware
Recomendations
Buy a real LB that can do Layer 4-7. Coyote Point makes a cheap one. MS NLB
only tricks the switch with a VIP and Virtual MAC.
MS NLB is a hokie way of doing things.
Eric
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of William Holmes
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:12 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware
Recomendations
Hello,
The switch that I am currently using is an HP ProCurve Switch Model 2824.
The issue that I have had previously was one of the switch shutting down the
ports due to the NLB Mac Address ?jumping around? between different ports on
the switch. That problem occurred on a CISCO switch (don?t remember the
exact model gbb something or other). If I understand things correctly (Note
that I did say IF) there are switch configuration issues that have to be
addressed. KB 193602 (posted incorrect number last time sorry) mentions one
of them which is issue with port flooding and suppressing this with VLANs.
My past experience using Switches with NLB on Windows NT and Windows 2000
was a train wreck. The path of least resistance was a dumb hub between the
nodes and the switch that gave the switch a consistent view of the NLB
cluster. That is why I am currently using Unicast With a Hub as KB193602
indicates.
If I understand correctly I should be able to Mask the NLB Mac Address and
after doing so connect directly to a switch as a side effect of this any
request to the NLB cluster will be sent to all ports of the switch (port
flood). Thus traffic will be sent to any and all machines on the switch
unless you define VLANS.
As another option could use another L2 switch that only deals with my NLB
and have a single uplink just like my current hub has thus gaining gigabit
full duplex connections or would the port flooding also affect the upstream
switch. It doesn?t seem like it should. The upstream switch would see
something answering on the NLB switch?s port.
Will something like a Netgear GS105 work in this instance for testing
purposes?
It?s the Switch getting to smart for MY own good that I worry about which is
why I am asking these questions.
Thanks
Bill
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:07 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware
Recomendations
?HP Procurve? ? what?
That?s a product line, not a switch model.
Also, you don?t need to use a hub; a L2 switch generally works just fine.
The problem is when the switch tries to be too smart about L3 and ends up
being too smart for its own good.
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of William Holmes
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:55 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Network Load Balancing And Network Hardware
Recomendations
Hello,
This is possible a little off topic.
We currently use Windows Network Load Balancing for our Exchange and ISA
servers. Right now to avoid problems with our network switches I have a hub
between the NLB hosts and our Network Switches. This connection is therefore
limited to 100MB ½ duplex connections.
I have new hardware coming in that I need to use NLB on and I would like to
have an optimal configuration. I have taken a look at Microsoft KB 192602
and am looking for further recommendations. Our network switches are HP
Procurve.
Thanks
Bill
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