Gerry, that should work, but there are is the possibility of other via issues when mirroring, not only for test points but for sequentially laminated boards where the particular drilling "structure" may not exist on the back side (i.e. you only only want laser vias on top, not the bottom). In my humble opinion: The modules should be able to be mirrored "out-of-the-box" without playing games with them. It is really dumb to have them able to move but not mirror, and Cadence should implement this. The above cases would have to throw an error if they happened (compare the stackup before actually mirroring, maybe), but the point is they would help the users. -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax) <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com "Off-Grid and Proud of it!" -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Meier Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 09:21 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? Have you tried assigning the symbols and clines as a "Group" and then mirroring the group? I think this might work the only issue is it may also mirror your vias and if some of them are Test points the access pad may be on the wrong side of the board now. Gerry Meier, Sr. PCB Designer Freedom CAD Services. Inc Voice: (256)776-7470 or (603) 864-1350 Email:gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx visit us at http://www.freedomcad.com _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:06 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? I'm sorry, you are right. I thought I had done that in 15.2, but obviously I was wrong as it doesn't work in 15.7 or 16.0. :} My apologies to anyone who was going nutz trying to figure out how it was done... Been working support too long :[ -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax) <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com "Off-Grid and Proud of it!" -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Szumowicz Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 23:51 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? George, How did you manage to mirror a module? I tried it and the mirror command does not apply to a single unit which is a module. I could mirror only components, but not clines/shapes which are also part of the module. I tried with 15.7 Performance. Robert george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Yep. -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax) <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com "Off-Grid and Proud of it!" -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of gnieski_mike@xxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:26 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? Never tried to mirror a module, works ok? _____ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:14 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? We typically try to do stuff like this as a module. Especially when we are trying to exactly replicate the circuit. Then it can be easily moved/rotated/mirrored without needing to reassign anything. -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax) <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com "Off-Grid and Proud of it!" -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Carman Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:09 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] wasn't there a way to "mirror" geometries? I have to match line and shape of some clines... is there a way to copy and mirror this lines... of course I'll also have the issue of needing to reassign the new nets to them. Anyone have any ideas for this? These are not just matched length, but also matched curves and shapes of clines. 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