[icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
- From: "John Esak" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:37:43 -0400
No worries Tre, any time I can help you or your intended... just ask. It was
clearly my fault for trying to answer something about Linux itself here on
this list instead of in the tech forum. I wasn't aware of the distinctions.
The real problem is there is never a simple, quick "do this" answer to most
operating system questions... especially those for one as far reaching as
Linux with its dozens of flavors and implementations. Let's both keep
posting on the tech list and I think we'll eventually get the answers about
the Icon we need.
Have a great day, you and Kaye.
John
People on that tech list seem to be very busy... and answers come when folks
get around to reading them. Trutfully, I'd rather have most of those guys
working on the next releases than reading lots of my stupid questions. :-)
Take care,
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of tré strother
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:51 PM
> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
>
>
> I apologize for the crossed wires, john. I am Kaye's fiancé and I want to
> say that I do not believe any insult was meant. Perhaps this is not the
> proper place for this, but part of the reason this was said was because I
> had become quite frustrated with the fact that no matter which
> list I posted
> to, I received very few answers, and indeed, perhaps quite
> unintentionally,
> was made to feel slightly inadiquatec due to my newbeness in this whole,
> linux/unix field. However, as I said, I do believe that this might have
> been unintentional, but regardless of all that, I am learning a great deal
> and I do appreciate the pointers and helpful folks on all three lists,
> without whose help I would still be hunting up documentation, trying to
> figure out how to use the console. Anyway, this isn't the place for this,
> so suffice it to say that I apologize for the crossed signals, and I hope
> all can be well.
> Thanks,
> Tré
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Esak
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:01 PM
> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
>
>
> I can only assume you are responding to what I said in an earlier message.
> If so, you completely misread my words and my intent. Stifle your
> enthusiasm
> or desire to learn? Nothing could be further from my meaning. You
> sound like
> you have some grudge about this from something someone else might
> have said
> to you in the past and are responding to that. What I said was explicitly
> clear and concise and important. I have spent my life *teaching* people
> Unix. For years I put out a magazine called The Guru Magazine, it's sole
> purpose was to teach initiates and wizards alike the basics and finer
> aspects of Unix. My guess is that magazine reached hundreds of
> thousands of
> people during its 3 year life, and I personally have taught Unix to
> thousands in classrooms and on line.
>
> Just to be certain, I'll say it again exactly as I said it
> before. To learn
> how to use Linux takes a concerted effort. Of *course* it starts
> with asking
> questions. And, if you will notice, I explicitly answered your question
> about .gz files and how to unzip them. I also warned you that .gz files
> often unzip into many folders all around the file system. To unzip such a
> compressed file on the windows side in disk drive mode and then
> try to find
> and manually place the uncompressed files correctly once you're back in
> console mode is absolutely not a good idea. The Icon mounts its hard drive
> in a way that doesn't even present the required folders from the Operating
> System to you. And this is why I said you would need to know many other
> commands as well as the command for gunzip itself. Moving files, copying
> files, creating directories all each have their own syntax and
> tiny gotchas
> here and there. So, again, I was just exhorting you to be careful. In the
> case of the Icon doubly and trebly so. Doing the slightest thing wrong in
> console mode will without question lock you up and in many, many cases
> destroy the working applications of the Icon. In the times I've worked in
> console mode, I have had to reset and reboot the device quite a
> few times. I
> answered the way I did only because I wanted you to be aware of all this.
> I'm very sorry you took offense.
>
> In the past week I have seen a note that console questions should be asked
> and answered on the Icon Tech list... so obviously, I made a mistake in
> trying to help you here. My apologies. I won't do so again.
>
> Good luck to your fiance and you in learning anything and
> everything you can
> about this fantastic machine, but if in the future someone tells you to be
> careful about what you're doing while you learn, don't insult
> them by saying
> they are trying to *stifle* you. Just a thought.
>
> John
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:05 AM
> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > PUt the file on a card, put it in your pc, either use windows to
> > unzip a zip
> > file or download the free utility for windows that was mentioned here
> > earlier and unzip the file onto the card, put the card back
> into the icon
> > and transfer the folder to the hd if you like. If the unpacked
> > file is too
> > loarge to fit on the card, you might try putting the icon in
> > diskdrive mode
> > and unzipping it directly there. When we get samba back, you
> > could use that
> > and access the icon that way.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kaye zimpher" <kayezimpher@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:23 PM
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > Thanks, but I am not sure I agree with this completely. I
> > personally do not
> > have time to learn Linux or the console, but my fiancé for instance has
> > taken a lot of time to start teaching himself about the
> > programming and the
> > console and such. I think if person wants to learn they should be
> > encouraged to do so and asking questions is the best way to start. If a
> > person truly wants to take the time to learn something as
> > beneficial as this
> > why stop them or stifle them in that desire?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Esak
> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, knowing how to unzip things on the console is
> > not the only
> > thing you would need to know to install a Linux file/app on the
> > Icon or BP.
> > There are many other commands you would need to be conversant
> > with to do the
> > job correctly. Anyone can learn this stuff, but it takes making a
> > concerted
> > effort to learn Linux and using the console mode without
> knowing Linux is
> > not something I would recommend. In fact, my suggestion is stay
> > completely
> > away from the console unless you do know the commands you need to run in
> > that mode.
> >
> > The command to unzip a .gz file is gunzip. A .gz file has been
> > zipped with
> > gzip. There are many windows programs that would unzip a .gz
> > file including
> > winzip, but you would be left with all the files on the windows side of
> > things... not a good thing. Sometimes, a gzipped file unzips to lots of
> > different folders as it's being unzipped, so it's never a good
> > idea to unzip
> > a .gz on the windows side of a windows/linux combination.
> >
> > I wish I had a better answer for you than this.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of kaye zimpher
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:49 PM
> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > That only works if they are windows extractable files. But
> if you are
> > putting a client such as pine on the unit you would need to
> know a little
> > about unzipping from the console.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jenny Axler
> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:18 PM
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > To unzip a file on Icon or Braille plus, i would do this:
> >
> > put the unit in Disk Drive Mode, and unzip it with Windows,
> > that way,
> > you need not move the file off the unit, then move the extracted
> > data back.
> > You can extract the data in Windows directly on to Icon or
> Braille Plus's
> > harddrive.
> >
> > Jenny
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Irwin Hott
> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Unzipping a File
> >
> >
> > I don't have a clue where to start in using the console.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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