[openbeos] Re: "One Hour for Haiku" - Coordinating Voluntary Cash Donors

  • From: Simon Porter <hailstorm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:52:08 +0000

Hi Michael,
Thanks very much for replying. Comments below..> Simon Porter wrote:> > I was 
going to email Michael off list but I feel it better to keep> > 
comments/discussion on here.> > > > I wanted to request comments on the 
following from Michael.> > > > - Would it be possible to add a subscription 
button on the donations> > page for paypal? As you mentioned it would be a 
quick thing to set up. > > Yes. Like is said, prior, I thought that this was 
something that you could > set up yourself via PayPal. We will add this 
shortly.> > > - Koki mentioned Haiku Inc has a board of directors, three 
including> > yourself. Would you mind saying who these other people are? > > 
Me. Everyone else has become inactive. We had some internal discussions > about 
adding more people, but it really didn't go anywhere. The biggest > issue 
was/is that I would like a BOD that is fairly balanced. Right now, we > have 
very few contributors who are not devs. I love devs. I am a dev, at > least at 
my paying job. But I think that we need other (business/marcom, > legal, etc) 
representation. OTOH, there is a lot of concern around inviting > people to 
Haiku who are new, or at least, don't have a lot of knowledge and > vested 
I seem to get the feeling it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation in that 
unless the project grows then it is difficult to find such people, but if you 
don't then growing the project becomes hard.
As you point out trust is also an issue. I would expect that to sit on the 
board of directors you would have to be well known and trusted by the 
community. At the moment these people nearly all developers.
I'm not sure I follow your description about the board of directors though. Do 
you mean to say there was originally 3 but they have since become inactive or 
has it always been just yourself? Would it be worth putting out a request for 
additional board members?
> > - Hugo mentioned having people elected onto the board much like Gnome> > 
> > does.> > Would you be open to having someone elected to deal with 
> > financials? It> > would take the burden off yourself and give more prompt 
> > access to> > financial information.> > The biggest issues with financials 
> > are:> 1) Disparate information sources. I have bank statements, paypal 
> > account > info, Network For Good info and receipts. Putting all of that 
> > together is a > manual process.> > 2) There isn't anyone else who 
> > can/will/should do it. They would have to be> a) generally trusted by the 
> > community> b) have a background of some sort in business/accounting> c) 
> > have time and interest in doing the work> > 3) Honestly, we don't spend a 
> > whole lot of money. We have two basic reasons > to spend money:> a) 
> > translate dollars to lines of code> b) spread the news about Haiku> > We 
> > have pursued both of those with varying success. The problem is that > 
> > doing either really big requires a big investment. Hiring someone full time 
> > > for development, for example. Taking out an ad in the London Times. Our > 
> > efforts have been much smaller so far and our successes have been smaller. 
> > > SCALE was not terribly cheap, but I think that it was worth it. We bought 
> > a > new computer for a developer whose old one was not usable any more. 
> > Also > worth it. But that is most of what we have done this year.
Although its been on the small scale in the past I don't see why the project 
shouldn't be more ambitious and make a bigger push for donations. My personal 
interest would be to see the project more able to fund paid development work. I 
thought it was great to have Axel work full time on the project for the couple 
of months that he was paid.
I don't know if it is the case with Network for Good but with Paypal you can 
get financial information using Paypal's API. That would be one way of getting 
a more real time update of donations without requiring you to manually get 
these figures all the time. I would be happy to look into this, although I 
suspect it would only be of use for getting info on donations through Paypal.
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