[haiku-development] Re: AltGr Key, key_map, and the US-International Keyboard

  • From: Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx>
  • To: haiku-development@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:26:35 +0200

Am 05.04.2012 20:03, schrieb Ingo Weinhold:
John Scipione wrote:
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Adrien Destugues
<pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
Le Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:30:42 +0200, John Scipione<jscipione@xxxxxxxxx>  a

AltGr seems determined not to fit into that model. So I am
perplexed as to how to accomplish all this currently.

Yes, we all know it's a bad thing and it shouldn't exist, but our French,
Spanish, Lithuanian and German keyboard are so made. People not happy with
that just go for a different layout like US-International.
I don't think Haiku is there to change how this works :)

Let's say that there was an option for an AltGr key separate from any
other key that exists now and you were to map AltGr to where right Alt
is now. You'd lose right Command, right? And option basically does
what AltGr does now, so, you'd effectively have option twice in a row
and no right command. That doesn't seem right. So you assign right
option to be right command. And then you are back to where we are now.

I think in reality you'd switch the Command key to Windows/Linux mode and 
things would work like in those two OSs. There's nothing wrong with offering an 
alternative Haiku keymap that has better thought-out mappings (it can even be 
the default), but I think there should be a simple way to make the keyboard 
work just like in the other OSs people are using.

Yes. I'd like to add that I don't understand why you suddenly think AltGr can be made to work with the Option layer. It's simple, really. I have four different keys (on the keyboard I type this on):

Strg  Win  Alt  [          ]  AltGr  [Menu]  Strg

How could this ever work properly with only three key-roles to assign to four different key-labels? Yes, if I was to keep the Haiku default and use Alt as my command key, then I'd have no right-side command key. But hey, maybe I switch to Window/Linux mode and Strg is my command key. Maybe I assign the left Alt key and the right Strg key to command. My point is, there are four differently labeled keys. I need four key-roles.

I think Ingo's original idea to solve this with a new, separate key-role is just fine.

Best regards,

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