[openbeos-cdt] Re: What's going on here?
- From: Kristof Polleunis aka BeAdingo <kristof_polleunis@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
- Well I simply can't be on the sessions coz they are
too late! Hey, I live in Europe and I have a life,
girlfriend, kid, work, I'm not a student who can stay
up until 3am to join you guys on IRC.
-That's why I didn't like IRC in the first place.
Timezones make it difficult to set a perfect time for
everyone. I guess that also explains why almost
nobody of the group showed up.
-Using IRC is cool but people live in different
timezones and have sometimes other obligations:
sports, hobbies, friends and family...etc
-I also wonder if everyone subscribed to the
mailinglist. Maybe all members should be urged to
subscribe
- I did post these things several times on the
mailinglists but almost nobody gave feedback on it. I
also suggested setting up a list with things to avoid
and things to consider when choosing names. Result no
reaction.
BTW: I'd like to see some more professionalism
regards,
Kristof (BeAdingo)
--- Nathan Callender <nathan_callender@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Why didn't you bring this up over IRC *before*
> Stuart was going to submit names? There were three
> sessions, and lots of time to post on the mailing
> list.
> Kristof Polleunis aka BeAdingo
> <kristof_polleunis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Boris, that .com suggestion was my idea ;-)
>
> I agree with Boris we are obviously not marketeers
> and
> that's why we forget to consider things, sometimes
> important stuff when choosing a name. I believe we
> should get in touch with the people who want to
> distribute the OS, like BeUnited (isn't Helmar a
> marketeer) to discuss these things.
>
> I believe there are many criteria to consider before
> even submitting a name to Michael. These are just a
> few I can come up with and I'm not an expert in this
> field.
>
> - it has to be a non-existing OS-name.
>
> - it should more or less represent the OS or the
> community, it's a plus to the name this way.
>
> - it should not be an existing trademarked name
> (also
> applies to logo).
>
> - it should be trademark-able(also applies to logo).
>
> - it should be possible to obtain a toplevel
> domainname like *.org,*.com,*.net
>
> - it should not have an insulting meaning in other
> cultures.
>
> - it should not be too long, too complicated or
> consist of multiple words.
>
> - not too geeky either (my personal view ;-).
>
> The name has to pass criteria tests like these.
> What's the point in having a flashy name if we can't
> have the domainname or the trademark or if it's a
> infringment on a trademark. It's not just a matter
> of
> picking names at random.
>
> Everyone who suggests a name should first check if
> the
> names passes these criteria before even mentioning
> it.
> See what happend with BlueOS they had to change
> their
> name because BlueOS already existed. I think we
> better avoid things like this.
>
> Kristof Polleunis
>
> aka
>
> BeAdingo
>
>
>
> --- Boris Kuncer wrote:
> >
> > I think that we need help and advice of the
> > marketing expert. We are
> > here mostly because of a design and visual stuff.
> I
> > think that choosing
> > and suggesting names is not where I'm good in. I
> can
> > tell you if I like
> > any name suggestion or if I do not like it. This
> is
> > only a vote. Process
> > of choosing a name or anything else in the
> beginning
> > of our job is more
> > complicated of simple 'I like it - I do not like
> > it'. We got here a
> > "product" to "sell". For example: when Mercedes
> have
> > new car, all
> > aspects of the industry is working in one
> > direction(designers, technical
> > department, advertising teams...), very good and
> > strong marketing
> > direction in purpose to sell the product. If you
> > want to sell your
> > product you have to first analyse market. You have
> > to know what are
> > obligations and limitations before you came out on
> > the market. One
> > limitations can be legal and other practical (like
> > some one said that we
> > got to have free .com or .org). We can not make
> > mistakes like that.
> > Personally I do not know answers to all this
> things.
> > This why we need
> > help of someone who is professional advertising
> > expert.
> >
> > -boris
> > >
> > >
> > >I think everything has toned down a bit because
> the
> > work has
> > >become work instead of some sort of free-for-all
> > art contest.
> > >Until a name can be chosen for the OS there is
> > little reason
> > >to work on any of the other design projects as
> they
> > all depend
> > >on the name. Even then, once a name is chosen, an
> > identity
> > >will follow before the icons, wallpaper and GUI
> > elements can
> > >be tackled.
> > >
> > >To be honest, I've been a little disappointed in
> > the turnout
> > >in the discussions concerning the name. Out of a
> > forty some
> > >odd group, roughly a quarter of the people
> > participated in any
> > >meaningful way (including submissions to the
> > freelists mailing
> > >list). However, this being a volunteer project,
> > you take what
> > >you can get.
> > >
> > >I'm going to pass a list along to Michael with my
>
> > >recommendations for a name and see what his
> > comments are.
> > >Hopefully by week's end I will know where this
> > group stands in
> > >relation to the work that needs to be done and
> > those who still
> > >wish to participate in this group will be given
> the
> >
> > >opportunity to contribute.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:openbeos-cdt-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > >Behalf Of Kristof
> > >Polleunis aka BeAdingo
> > >Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:31 AM
> > >To: Stuart McCoy
> > >Cc: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [openbeos-cdt] What's going on here?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi everyone,
> > >
> > >What's going on. This was a vibrant group, lots
> of
> > >ideas where being discussed things started to get
> > >moving and now I can't help getting the
> impression
> > >that everbody gives up on CDT.
> > >
> > >Are the discussions being held elsewhere?
> > Freelists
> > >is down, the forum is down and no info is coming
> > in.
> > >To get the group back on tracks and get things
> > moving
> > >was why we had a change of teamlead or am I
> wrong?
> > >Why do I still have the impression that nothing
> > seems
> > >to happen and the internal communication has
> become
> > >worse? I'm not here to criticize anyone but I
> must
> > >see I'm worried and start to have my doubts about
> > the
> > >CDT.
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >
> > >Kristof Polleunis
> > >
> > >(BeAdingo)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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