Maybe the next market development is for the braille note gps to become available on PDAs under windows CE. I suspect that over time the niche for specific PDAs for the blind will become more limitted simply because of prices. If there is an accessible PDA with speech and it costs less than half the price of a blind specific PDA then market forces may well come to bear. The Packmate for example kind of looses it's point when you can get the same functionality for much less. If pocket HAL is truly platform independnet then it breaks the market domination of the freedom scientific alternative which isn't. And I'd conclude therefore that where the PDAs goes then the gps may well follow. There is still a market need for blind speicific applications but I suspect the underlying hardware may change significantly in the next three to five years. It isn't quite there yet. In that time frame then I suspect we'll see OCR and GPS on portable note takers as a minimum. Internet access and mp3 players are kind of old hat now. GPS functionality pioneered by Mike and his gang has kind of thrown a quantum spanner in to the whole portable pda market. Note takers haven't changed much really in the last fifteen years. A few cosmetic tweaks but functionality was a bit basic. I'd buy a new note taker, carry it around for a month and then get bored of it. The PK with the GPS however is rarely beyond arm's length. It's a truly useful bit of kit rather than a bit of blindy fashion wear. - Liam - Liam -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Gallagher Sent: 21 July 2005 09:29 To: gps-talkusers-freelists.org Subject: [gps-talkusers] receivers Hi all, Was at sight village yesterday and did not see any other gps receivers. I found it so busy that I did not try and see if my fortuna works with the mpower or street talker. it was very noisy and crowded and a real look at anything is difficult. very interesting with sendero testing out the new receivers. I wonder if Debbie can tell me the name of the receiver she is using and if it has the new chip set? managed to look at the talking pda's or should I say a pda with some access. There is to be the codefactory software and dolphin software on pdas in the next few months. maybe the access to gps on pda's will not be as good as our wayfinder or definitely the braillenote gps system. I feel portability is everything when using gps. it's not so bad if that is all you carry but the pk is so small and you can use an ear piece. look forward to the future.