[geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:16:25 +1000
Jack in both emails you ignored my point, the main point being that sometimes
you concur with me and at others preach the opposite. . Namely we are here to
touch topics both philosophy and science.or anything else. but NOT TO MIX THE
TWO Just as you have asked on this forum at least twice. . Today you betray
yourself and fail to keep your own objective.
In case you failed to notice I am defending Regners and Rauls right to discuss
science without them being subjected to moral criticism, most of which is
assumed and not proven.. Put in a more scientific way, however much you may
find objective reasons to criticise a person, you cannot do so subjectively,
because even a bible basher must concede that only God can judge a mans true
state of mind.
I take no offence at your judgement "Your faith in man's genius is idolatrous"
. as I am sure you
were not cognizant of what you were saying.
That is a subjective judgement and as such rightly belongs to God, and to no
man. By what authority do you claim the infallibility of the Holy Ghost over
all other men in the world, to perfectly interpret scripture and pass judgement
on any other man?
You said,
There are times when I wonder what God it is that you are talking about? It
certainly isn't the one mentioned in the Bible. Your God just doesn't fit the
Bible's description of Him. ( or do you mean your interpretation of Him) I
thought He said ,"My ways are not your ways." He was talking to mankind.. but
of course you are above us all are you not?
Here we go again with your presuming to have the authority of the Holy Ghost to
interpret scripture infallibly, and judge another mans interpretation. (which,
by the way I do not presume to do.)
You did the exact same thing as regards Nevilles horror of the God of the Old
Testament a God who had no problem with genocide. Yet you could in no way
convince me or anyone else of any satisfactory explanation of the contradiction
between Mercy and genocide that Neville raised.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science
Dear Philip,
There are times when I wonder what God it is that you are talking about? It
certainly isn't the one mentioned in the Bible. Your God just doesn't fit the
Bible's description of Him.
God said He took 6 days but it is man who said He needed billions of years. I
know who I believe! Your faith in man's genius is idolatrous, that's why God is
likely to intervene! Man will never be able to do what God has done. Giving him
more years to try and achieve this goal, will result in his own destruction -
surely you can see that?
The nineteenth century (Darwin's century) produced the giants among
scientists who gave us pretty much all the main laws of physics were nearly all
God believing people, who gave God the glory for the things they uncovered. In
1864, 717 scientists signed a manifesto entitled 'The Declaration of Students
of the Natural and Physical Sciences' affirming their confidence and scientific
integrity of the Bible. Eighty six of the men were Fellows of the Royal
Society.
A belief in God was their driving force. People like Robert Boyle, Carl
Linnaeus, Leonard Euler, George Cuvier, Michael Faraday, Samuel Morse, Charles
Babbage, Matthew Maury, James Joule, Louis Pastuer, Gregor Mendel, Lord Kelvin,
Joseph Lister, James Clark Maxwell, John Fleming, George Washington Carver, The
Wright Brothers, I could give you a further at least another 20. I wonder if
any of them would be re-elected to the Royal Institute or even given a job if
they came back today believing what they did?
Re-read what I said about the world being Christian and then you will
understand what I meant. If science did progress along Christian lines then,
humanity would have benefited far more than it has today.
Jack L
philip madsen wrote:
Jack said, Isn't it strange that man and all his technology cannot do what
blind, random chances did!
Give us time Jack.... Thats what nature had to make its stuff. I am sure
the genius of man will eventually catch up.. thats when God might intervene,
but that does not prove any need that God or religion has any part in actual
physics. Thats a separate philosophy of theology.
You want to make science Christian.. Well you should make the world of men
outside of science Christian first.. So far not so good..
Phil of philosophy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Integrity in science
Dear Philip,
There is a very simple answer to that. Let them try it using raw
chemicals instead of the ready made God designed parts. Isn't it strange that
man and all his technology cannot do what blind, random chances did!
There was a scientist who said to God, "We don't need you anymore",
"Is that so?" replied God.
"Yep, we now have the technology to do anything we like."
"Can you make a man?" asked God.
"Easy-peasey" said the scientist.
" Could you make a man the way I did?" asked God.
"yep."
"This could be very interesting" said God, "Show me how you do it".
The scientist, having once been a Bible scholar, picked up a handful of
dust, at which point God said, "No-no, you must play fair, you will have to
make your own dust first!"
Jack L
philip madsen wrote:
Jack said:
Yes its a bit like abiogenesis, without it there is nothing to
kick-start evolution and therefore without it the model crumbles.
I was sure that when they clone a dead embyro which was artificially
constructed from living tissue to be sure, the life was kick started by a spark
of electricity.. Shades of the frankenstein monster kicked into life with a
bolt of lightening..
That is still a freaky possibility Jack.. A lot of "christians" are
convinced..
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