Dear Cheryl, I am delighted that you can easily understand the celestial pole argument and that you agree with it. The beauty of this particular proof is its simplicity, and yet many scientists refuse to see it. To this time nobody has yet disproved it, despite a discussion haven taken place on badastronomy.com on this subject. Almost four hundred years ago the geocentric astronomer Tycho Brae proposed for very similar reasons that the Earth cannot orbit the sun, because if so the stars would then exhibit parallax during the course of a year. Since that time heliocentrists have dismissed Tycho Brae's point by claiming that the distance between us and the stars is vast, and therefore parallax is minimal. However, vast distances to the stars can not be resorted to save the heliocentric model, because the celestial pole argument uses observational evidence regarding the pole star turning each night in such away that it does not matter how far away the stars are. The point is that if we see the pole star describe a circle once every night because of the alleged rotation of the world causing an observer at the equator to move 25,132 miles in a day, then why don't we see it describe an even bigger circle during the coarse of a year when the world has gone a preposterous 584,336,233 miles around the sun. T o get around this, the heliocentrists solution is to claim that the Earth's axis amazingly always points towards the pole star, but this can be easily refuted by considering then what would be observed in the south pole. The conclusion is that it is not possible for the Earth's axis to point at both the north and the south pole star simultaneously, therefore the heliocentric model must be wrong. Regarding other stars, parallax has allegedly been found, but it does not prove that the Earth rotates and orbits the sun, it only proves that something is moving. Further, parallax data does not conform to the heliocentric model either for more than half of all recorded values are negative. There is a program showing how a geostatic and geocentric model would look, its called Geocentric Universe and it is written by my Dad and I. Currently we have sold out of version 2.2, however 2005 will be available soon (God-willing). The fee is to cover postage costs. In answer to your question about whether space probes launched by Nasa could prove a rotating world, I believe that had probes like Voyager 1, Voyager 2 and the Viking landers been real, then this would be Nasa's testimony that the Earth rotates. In fact, almost everything that Nasa have ever done, gravity slingshots for example, would prove heliocentrism. However, they are not real which is why they are so poorly documented, and why only one radio telescope in the world is capable of receiving signals from the space craft. Further, the very notion of gravity slingshots being precisely calculated many years in advance is ridiculous. What Nasa don't realise is that they are claiming a perpetual motion machine for they assert that after a gravity slingshot towards a planet the probe would speed up, despite the fact that there is apparently gravity pulling it back. This is in violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Kind Regards, Steven Jones. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!