its when i get it working to a state i want it that the project begins to lose some of its hacking appeal. unless you have acess to the talents [ not to say you are untalented, but i may be :) ] and time that big developers have, continually adding to a project can become tedious, especially when a new inspiration hits you and you hare off after a new goal... --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html