Rick "Draki" Hughes, MLUG vice pres., demo-ed Webmin at MLUG. As interesting as the Webmin talk was, even more interesting were comments he made later about his moonlighting job at Nibble Information Systems, Inc. :: T1 for free FG/M needs high speed access in our neighborhood labs in order to fulfill our mission and advance our programs. Nibble sells full T1 lines at a base rate of $400/month in So. Bend and Mishawaka, $550/month in Elkhart, excluding circuit (local loop) charges. There are no fractional lines, only full T1. Circuit charges are $125 - $200 per month depending on location. Even better than the low commercial rate is Nibble's offer to donate T1 services to any local private nonprofit organization *free of charge*, excluding circuit charges. Nibble has an agreement with SBC/Ameritech and operates only where SBC is the local monopoly carrier. These offers may not be good outside St. Joseph and Elkhart counties. :: Wireless for free -- sort of, maybe Even more promising than free T1 is an unpublicized, but apparently real, program to lend organizations the wireless equipment necessary to create wireless neighborhood fan outs from the Nibble T1 installations. Rick believes the required minimum number of users to qualify for the program is ten. If Rick is right, FG/M can get a full T1 line into our labs for $200/month or less per site. Then, if we can find 10 subscribers per site who will pay $20/month, FG/M would get the use of a WAP broadcast antenna, base amplifier of some kind and (10) D-Link PC wireless cards. The subscription income would offset the monthly local loop charge. If FG/M signs up more subscribers, we might be able to purchase the wireless equipment from Nibble. If this works, FG/M would have a revenue stream to support the organization and build the neighborhood wireless access that we envisioned. There are four if clauses in the paragraph above. And more ifs implied in the next. The subscribers may have to commit to six months of service, make a deposit on the equipment or otherwise prove trustworthy to receive the loaned wireless cards. We may have to insure the gear against loss or damage. FG/M will need a closet or room at the facilities for the wireless gear and server(s). FG/M would do the marketing, invoicing, user installation and support, and the system admin and maintenance. That's a lot of work and expertise and ifs. According to Rick Nibble, in the end, is just interested in providing bandwidth. They are not interested in the ISP business per se. The company is apparently willing to prime the pump and that is exactly the kind of help we need. I plan to contact Nibble on Monday. If Nibble is too good to be true, we need to know right away. Nibble Information Services 716 LWW Osceola, IN 46561 (574) 674-2700 Tom To post to the list send email to <frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> You may unsubscribe or change your list settings by going to the list website at <//www.freelists.org/webpage/frgeek-michiana>