Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good one.

  • From: "Neil Martin" <neil_martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:46:33 -0500


Alex,

Yes, you are correct.

So far my focus has been on 50 series (Unix), but I also have some 70
Series on the same system to upgrade.  Thinking ahead, I guess I am going
to run into the same issue there also.  As far as I know, FV/FD for 70
Series (which is the only choice, there is no DM) is also a separate CD
just like it is for 50 Series.

Neil Martin
Huntsman Corporation
7114 North Lamar Blvd
Austin, TX.  78752
ph) 512-483-0119


                                                                                
                                
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Now, I understand the issue - I think. Let me restate it:

Your understanding is:
1.         V6.4 is a maintenance release.
2.         Under your (and probably many others which is why I'm keeping
this
on the list) maintenance agreement, V6.4 costs you nothing in terms of
licenses because it is a maintenance release
3.         Under V6.4, FV8 is the mandatory FV release and FV 99.2.1 (and
earlier) are not supported.
4.         There is a separate and considerable charge to upgrade the
existing
DM/FV licenses from FV99.2.1 to FV8
5.         There is no charge to retain the DM under V6.4 - only FV users
are
effected by this policy

The issues are:

1.         If FV8 is mandatory for V6.4, it should be included in the cost
of
the V6.4 upgrade which under your agreement is free.
2.         If FV8 is not mandatory for V6.4, then one or more of the
earlier FV
versions should be supported under V6.4
3.         It costs less for DM users to upgrade than for FV users.

You put this on the list because:
1.         The policy seems illogical
2.         The policy would seem to impact most if not all I/A Series
users.


Have I stated your understanding and the issues completely and correctly?



Do you
Regards,

Alex Johnson
Invensys
10707 Haddington
Houston, TX 77063
713.722.2859 (office)
713.722.2700 (switchboard)
713.932.0222 (fax)
ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
For the latest information on ArchestrA, go to
www.invensys.com/Archestra.html
<http://www.invensys.com/divisions/Archestra.html> .


           -----Original Message-----
           From:          Neil Martin [SMTP:neil_martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
           Sent:          Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:22 PM
           To:       foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
           Subject:       Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good
one.



           Alex,

           Thank you for requesting clarification.  What I am saying is
that as
long
           as I am working within my number of DM/Remote DM licenses, the
           FoxView/FoxDraw has apparently always been considered a
maintenance
release
           because I have always received the FV/FD upgrades at no
additional
charge
           via our software support agreement.  Basis discussions I had
with
Foxboro
           this morning, and even though I still have a software support
agreement,
           Foxboro now appears to want to charge big bucks for us to be
able to
switch
           to the version of FV/FD that is fully supported on V6.4
software.
Via our
           software support contract, the V6.4 upgrade did not cost us any
additional
           dollars - V6.4 is a maintenance release.   If V6.4 is a
maintenance
           release, where is the FV/FD that is fully supported and is a
fully
           compatible maintenance release for I/A V6.4?  Is the answer
FV/FD
V99.2.1?
           If so, then why is V99.2.1 not advertised as being so?

           Neil Martin
           Huntsman Corporation
           7114 North Lamar Blvd
           Austin, TX.  78752
           ph) 512-483-0119




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                               10/15/02 11:24 AM

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           Neil,

           I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying. So please
let me
set
           the
           stage:

           *          The FV/FD media has always been freely available.
(I'm
never
           been
           able to find a package price so I'm forced to assume the media
is
free.)
           *          The FV/DM license has always had a cost.
           *          DM and FV licenses are interchangeable. If you own 5
DM
licenses
           for
           a WP, you own the right to use a mix of up to 5 DM/FV
executables on
the
           WP.

           For example, If you want to run more than one instance of the DM
(or
FV) on
           a WP, you have to buy a license for each. One of the licenses is
included
           in
           the cost of a WP. The other licenses are purchased separately
using
one of
           the following part numbers:

           J0177AA                Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic
(5
User)
           J0177AB                Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic
(10
User)
           J0177AC                Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic
(20
User)
           J0177AD                Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic
(50
User)
           J0177AE                Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW
Lic(100
User)
           J0177AH                Additional FoxView DM For The 70 Series
           As you can see under Solaris DM and FV licenses are the same
thing.
There
           is
           no DM for NT so that license is not offered.

           The number of licenses a given station is allowed to run is a
configurable
           selection is SysDef.

            (A historical note: V3.3 of the I/A Series supported multiple
DMs
           unofficially. The official support and license terms were part
of
V4.0 and
           later.)

           Given all of that, are you saying:

           1)         We are now charging for FV media?
           2)         We are charging for the upgrade from FV 99.2.1 ot
FV8?
           3)         We are now charging to move from a DM to FV license?
           4)         You've been using "extra" DMs for free and now have
to
pay?
           5)         Something else entirely?



           Regards,

           Alex Johnson
           Invensys
           10707 Haddington
           Houston, TX 77063
           713.722.2859 (office)
           713.722.2700 (switchboard)
           713.932.0222 (fax)
           ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
           For the latest information on ArchestrA, go to
           www.invensys.com/Archestra.html
           <http://www.invensys.com/divisions/Archestra.html> .


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From:          Neil Martin
[SMTP:neil_martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
                      Sent:          Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:02 AM
                      To:       'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
                      Subject:       [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls
another
good
           one.


                      Many of you may know this already, but I just found
out
           something
                      ridiculous about Foxview/FoxDraw for Unix and V6.4
software.
                      FoxView/FoxDraw V8 is the only version of
FoxView/FoxDraw
that
           has
           been
                      tested with V6.4 I/A software.  But, starting with
Version 8,
                      FoxView/FoxDraw for the I/A system is no longer free
-
you will
           need
           a
                      license for each DM and Remote DM you are going to be
able to
           run.
           List
                      cost is something like $6000 for 10 licenses and
$11,700
for 20
           licenses.

                      If you are unhappy with this, be sure to express it.
Foxboro
           could
           have at
                      least said that FoxView/FoxDraw V99.2.1 is fully
supported for
           use
           with
                      V6.4 I/A software.  I for one am not going to pay for
FV/FD V8,
           either
                      V99.2.1 will work "good enough" or we will have to
stay
at V6.3
           software
                      (or use Display Manger).

                      Neil Martin
                      Huntsman Corporation
                      7114 North Lamar Blvd
                      Austin, TX.  78752
                      ph) 512-483-0119





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