Alex, Yes, you are correct. So far my focus has been on 50 series (Unix), but I also have some 70 Series on the same system to upgrade. Thinking ahead, I guess I am going to run into the same issue there also. As far as I know, FV/FD for 70 Series (which is the only choice, there is no DM) is also a separate CD just like it is for 50 Series. Neil Martin Huntsman Corporation 7114 North Lamar Blvd Austin, TX. 78752 ph) 512-483-0119 "Johnson, Alex (Foxboro)" To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ajohnson@Foxboro. cc: com> Subject: Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good Sent by: one. foxboro-bounce@fre elists.org 10/15/02 12:30 PM Please respond to foxboro Now, I understand the issue - I think. Let me restate it: Your understanding is: 1. V6.4 is a maintenance release. 2. Under your (and probably many others which is why I'm keeping this on the list) maintenance agreement, V6.4 costs you nothing in terms of licenses because it is a maintenance release 3. Under V6.4, FV8 is the mandatory FV release and FV 99.2.1 (and earlier) are not supported. 4. There is a separate and considerable charge to upgrade the existing DM/FV licenses from FV99.2.1 to FV8 5. There is no charge to retain the DM under V6.4 - only FV users are effected by this policy The issues are: 1. If FV8 is mandatory for V6.4, it should be included in the cost of the V6.4 upgrade which under your agreement is free. 2. If FV8 is not mandatory for V6.4, then one or more of the earlier FV versions should be supported under V6.4 3. It costs less for DM users to upgrade than for FV users. You put this on the list because: 1. The policy seems illogical 2. The policy would seem to impact most if not all I/A Series users. Have I stated your understanding and the issues completely and correctly? Do you Regards, Alex Johnson Invensys 10707 Haddington Houston, TX 77063 713.722.2859 (office) 713.722.2700 (switchboard) 713.932.0222 (fax) ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx> For the latest information on ArchestrA, go to www.invensys.com/Archestra.html <http://www.invensys.com/divisions/Archestra.html> . -----Original Message----- From: Neil Martin [SMTP:neil_martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:22 PM To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good one. Alex, Thank you for requesting clarification. What I am saying is that as long as I am working within my number of DM/Remote DM licenses, the FoxView/FoxDraw has apparently always been considered a maintenance release because I have always received the FV/FD upgrades at no additional charge via our software support agreement. Basis discussions I had with Foxboro this morning, and even though I still have a software support agreement, Foxboro now appears to want to charge big bucks for us to be able to switch to the version of FV/FD that is fully supported on V6.4 software. Via our software support contract, the V6.4 upgrade did not cost us any additional dollars - V6.4 is a maintenance release. If V6.4 is a maintenance release, where is the FV/FD that is fully supported and is a fully compatible maintenance release for I/A V6.4? Is the answer FV/FD V99.2.1? If so, then why is V99.2.1 not advertised as being so? Neil Martin Huntsman Corporation 7114 North Lamar Blvd Austin, TX. 78752 ph) 512-483-0119 "Johnson, Alex (Foxboro)" To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ajohnson@Foxboro. cc: com> Subject: Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good Sent by: one. foxboro-bounce@fre elists.org 10/15/02 11:24 AM Please respond to foxboro Neil, I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying. So please let me set the stage: * The FV/FD media has always been freely available. (I'm never been able to find a package price so I'm forced to assume the media is free.) * The FV/DM license has always had a cost. * DM and FV licenses are interchangeable. If you own 5 DM licenses for a WP, you own the right to use a mix of up to 5 DM/FV executables on the WP. For example, If you want to run more than one instance of the DM (or FV) on a WP, you have to buy a license for each. One of the licenses is included in the cost of a WP. The other licenses are purchased separately using one of the following part numbers: J0177AA Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic (5 User) J0177AB Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic (10 User) J0177AC Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic (20 User) J0177AD Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic (50 User) J0177AE Additional DM/FoxView (51 Series) SW Lic(100 User) J0177AH Additional FoxView DM For The 70 Series As you can see under Solaris DM and FV licenses are the same thing. There is no DM for NT so that license is not offered. The number of licenses a given station is allowed to run is a configurable selection is SysDef. (A historical note: V3.3 of the I/A Series supported multiple DMs unofficially. The official support and license terms were part of V4.0 and later.) Given all of that, are you saying: 1) We are now charging for FV media? 2) We are charging for the upgrade from FV 99.2.1 ot FV8? 3) We are now charging to move from a DM to FV license? 4) You've been using "extra" DMs for free and now have to pay? 5) Something else entirely? Regards, Alex Johnson Invensys 10707 Haddington Houston, TX 77063 713.722.2859 (office) 713.722.2700 (switchboard) 713.932.0222 (fax) ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx> For the latest information on ArchestrA, go to www.invensys.com/Archestra.html <http://www.invensys.com/divisions/Archestra.html> . -----Original Message----- From: Neil Martin [SMTP:neil_martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:02 AM To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good one. Many of you may know this already, but I just found out something ridiculous about Foxview/FoxDraw for Unix and V6.4 software. FoxView/FoxDraw V8 is the only version of FoxView/FoxDraw that has been tested with V6.4 I/A software. But, starting with Version 8, FoxView/FoxDraw for the I/A system is no longer free - you will need a license for each DM and Remote DM you are going to be able to run. List cost is something like $6000 for 10 licenses and $11,700 for 20 licenses. If you are unhappy with this, be sure to express it. Foxboro could have at least said that FoxView/FoxDraw V99.2.1 is fully supported for use with V6.4 I/A software. I for one am not going to pay for FV/FD V8, either V99.2.1 will work "good enough" or we will have to stay at V6.3 software (or use Display Manger). Neil Martin Huntsman Corporation 7114 North Lamar Blvd Austin, TX. 78752 ph) 512-483-0119 _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. 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