Stan, I'm not refuting your statement or taking Invensys' side in this argument at all (that wouldn't be like me anyway), but I would like you to clarify something. How will having Solaris 2.5.1 and Solaris 8 machines on the same system be a "nightmare"? Are there specific problems between these two operating systems running I/A software that you are aware of? Or is it the fact that certain third-party applications won't run on both systems? I don't know the answers, but I'm hoping that you or somebody else does. Right now, I envision that during our next turnaround, we will end up upgrading our CP's to version 7.x and swapping out our AW51's to Solaris 8 machines and starting to incorporate the new 1 Gb switched Ethernet, but that we will probably keep our existing Solaris 2.5.1 WP's running FoxView 99.2.1, which work fine. Eventually we will start replacing our WP's with Solaris 8 or possibly even WinXP machines on an as needed basis. If this isn't possible or is extremely difficult, I'd like to know about it. This wasn't the impression I got in Orlando. Any enlightenment on this would be helpful. Tim Lowell Control Systems Engineer ConocoPhillips, Trainer Refinery Phone: 610-364-8362 Fax: 610-364-8211 tlowell@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: stan [SMTP:stanb@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:55 AM To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good one. On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 04:35:32PM -0500, Corey R Clingo wrote: > > > The other reason this disappoints me is that we've coughed up around $100K > for new WPs in the last 2 years for a Foxview migration, and we have yet to > do it because of GUI lockup issues. Maybe we'll get a free FV8 upgrade if > we and TAC can' t get 99.2.1 to work, if some other info I saw float by on > the list is correct (yes, they *are* trying, gotta give them credit). Add > that to the apparent fact that said new WPs will probably not "run" (read, > be certified on) Solaris 8/IA 7.0+, and Foxboro hasn't exactly made my Top > 10 List of Reasons to Come to Work in the last month or so. > OUCH!! Sorry for the shouting, but you touched a nerve here. After literally _years_ of looking forward to the day the Foxboro would bless a more modern, supportable version of Solaris (there are very few old timers that remember 2.3.1!), and having been assured by them that it was "coming soon know" I find I have 50+ Sun boxes that Foxboro has no intention of _ever_ blessing anything more modern on! The first answer was "Solaris 8 doesn't run on that hardware", which was a blatant lie! Worse we will probably wind up with nodes that have mixed 2.5.1, and 2.8 versions of Solaris on them. This is going to be a nightmare. My own guess as to the real reason for this is that when Foxboro and Sun sat down to renegotiate the binary redistribution license, Foxboro bought the rights to distribute the 64 bit version only. Seems to me this was pretty stupid on there part for 2 reasons: 1. In the long run, they will spend more money on supporting the older version, and getting it to inter-operate with the newer version than they would have spent on the license. 2. It abandons us poor customers with lot's of the older machines, which by the way are _very lightly loaded. I would not want to explain to management why all these machines needed upgrading! Again, sorry for the flame, but it's a _very_ raw nerve with me! -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. Read http://www.thecassandraproject.org/disclaimer.html foxboro mailing list: //www.freelists.org/list/foxboro to subscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=join to unsubscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=leave _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. Read http://www.thecassandraproject.org/disclaimer.html foxboro mailing list: //www.freelists.org/list/foxboro to subscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=join to unsubscribe: mailto:foxboro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=leave