Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good one.

  • From: "Lowell, Tim:" <tlowell@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:17:10 -0700

Stan,

I'm not refuting your statement or taking Invensys' side in this argument at
all (that wouldn't be like me anyway), but I would like you to clarify
something.  How will having Solaris 2.5.1 and Solaris 8 machines on the same
system be a "nightmare"?  Are there specific problems between these two
operating systems running I/A software that you are aware of?  Or is it the
fact that certain third-party applications won't run on both systems?  I
don't know the answers, but I'm hoping that you or somebody else does.  

Right now, I envision that during our next turnaround, we will end up
upgrading our CP's to version 7.x and swapping out our AW51's to Solaris 8
machines and starting to incorporate the new 1 Gb switched Ethernet, but
that we will probably keep our existing Solaris 2.5.1 WP's running FoxView
99.2.1, which work fine.  Eventually we will start replacing our WP's with
Solaris 8 or possibly even WinXP machines on an as needed basis.  If this
isn't possible or is extremely difficult, I'd like to know about it.  This
wasn't the impression I got in Orlando.  Any enlightenment on this would be
helpful.
 
Tim Lowell
Control Systems Engineer
ConocoPhillips, Trainer Refinery
Phone:  610-364-8362
Fax:    610-364-8211
tlowell@xxxxxxxx

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   stan [SMTP:stanb@xxxxxxxx]
        Sent:   Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:55 AM
        To:     foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject:        Re: [foxboro] Foxboro/Invensys pulls another good
one.


        On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 04:35:32PM -0500, Corey R Clingo wrote:
        > 
        > 
        > The other reason this disappoints me is that we've coughed up
around $100K
        > for new WPs in the last 2 years for a Foxview migration, and we
have yet to
        > do it because of GUI lockup issues.  Maybe we'll get a free FV8
upgrade if
        > we and TAC can' t get 99.2.1 to work, if some other info I saw
float by on
        > the list is correct (yes, they *are* trying, gotta give them
credit).  Add
        > that to the apparent fact that said new WPs will probably not
"run" (read,
        > be certified on) Solaris 8/IA 7.0+, and Foxboro hasn't exactly
made my Top
        > 10 List of Reasons to Come to Work in the last month or so.
        > 

        OUCH!! Sorry for the shouting, but you touched a nerve here. After
literally
        _years_ of looking forward to the day the Foxboro would bless a more
modern,
        supportable version of Solaris (there are very few old timers that
remember
        2.3.1!), and having been assured by them that it was "coming soon
know" I
        find I have 50+ Sun boxes that Foxboro has no intention of _ever_
blessing
        anything more modern on! 

        The first answer was "Solaris 8 doesn't run on that hardware", which
was a
        blatant lie! Worse we will probably wind up with nodes that have
mixed
        2.5.1, and 2.8 versions of Solaris on them. This is going to be a
        nightmare.

        My own guess as to the real reason for this is that when Foxboro and
Sun
        sat down to renegotiate the binary redistribution license, Foxboro
bought
        the rights to distribute the 64 bit version only. Seems to me this
was
        pretty stupid on there part for 2 reasons:

        1. In the long run, they will spend more money on supporting the
older
        version, and getting it to inter-operate with the newer version than
they
        would have spent on the license.

        2. It abandons us poor customers with lot's of the older machines,
which
        by the way are _very lightly loaded. I would not want to explain to
        management why all these machines needed upgrading!

        Again, sorry for the flame, but it's a _very_ raw nerve with me!


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