I agree, A guy in my office buys and sells the mopars from the 60s early 70s and hes very good at it. Parts too. Most of my intentions were to give it a shot driving it if I could buy it right, that way if it didn't make the cut, I could turn it and hopefully make a little to make the next one a little more affordable. My GMC crew turned really well for a truck its size. I really miss that truck. Luckily the girlfriend has taken a strong liking to the CRV's utility- she takes the dogs everywhere and its oh so easy to drive, it really is and surprisingly roomy. I have to give it to Honda with that, it's a pretty decent little suv, if you don't like driving. I love to drive, so im bored to death with it. She has(had J ) a 2008 Acura TL type S. Very nice car, 285hp 6 speed manual, scoots pretty good and I get 25 around town, she said it will get 31 on the highway. Its not made for a guy who likes to drive either. Push it and it complains. It rides like shit for a car that doesn't scream. Bounces all over the road, the oversteer(I believe that is what we call the torque steer from front wheel drive cars) is so scary many times you have to get out of it even under less than ambitious accelloration- This is only a 15.8 second rated car- and it can be frightening when trying to have some fun with it. Though I have to admit its pretty sexy- It's the black color with the blue metallic flake in it- we have the Aspec wheels on it. For what she paid for it, and she told me this all along(it wasn't her pick of the litter) she could have had a much more impressive and fun to drive car. Most cars when you look online to find a forum to see what kind of upgrades people are doing to cars, you get quite a bit of "talent" even if its not what you or I would like to do to a car, the only TL forums out there that I have found are only putting factory Aspec body kits on the car. Some have suggested an exhaust kit and cold air intake. Im absolutely blown away at how little there is for this "performance series" car. I am sure there are reasons, but don't people who buy that kind of car like to trick it out, no matter what it is? Mega Cab long box???=motorhome. From: elky-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:elky-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Lindh Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:09 AM To: elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [elky] Re: 67 Buick Riviera HD Did someone say land barge? My Dodge has a 160.5" wheelbase, and people pay to have Mega Cabs converted to long bed, making them 180" (Mega Cab / long bed is not a factory option). Interestingly enough, according to this link a Mega Cab / long bed conversion still has a tighter turning radius than a Ford or GM crew cab: http://www.longbedmegacab.com/DT1008.pdf All I know is parking lots can be tricky even with the short bed. And as far as buying the Riviera, I say don't buy a car you are not absolutely in love with, especially a '60s "fun" car. Given the dollars and aggravation it takes to keep one road worthy it's not worth it if it is not the perfect car for you (in my not so humble opinion).