Hi Shaun,
TPIM: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures.
Tx for the urls and information, the first url is about a certain
Queen's Counsel touting for more work as...if not the conscience of
the nation...he is certainly the leader of the conscience of the
nation (though in all modesty, he denies it). Apparently, he is an
expert on such matters, as well as being independent, and a
go-between, between the government and the committee...which he
considers is the real conscience of the nation, in particular, the
Baroness of The Shaws (ever read Kidnapped by Robert Louis
Stevenson?). All about protecting civil liberties and catching the
terrorist...by creating, or adapting laws to restrict people's
liberties without having to resort to the courts, and allowing for
minimum suspicion and minimum review of the suspects case before it
is decided or reviewed...in secret. Franz Kafka and "The Trial"
resounds here. The second prong is about how to make it all cost
effective. Apparently, the government got a pasting with its
relocation orders under the old system and it is rumoured that it
cost tens of millions of pounds in payouts to the suspected
terrorists. One or two of the suspects went on the run, others went
to the courts with a Q.C. now retired, representing them, having the
temerity to complain about a breach of their family life. A very
highly educated woman, with a very posh Cheltenham accent and very
much an establishment lady of Cheltenham Ladies College, who,
amongst other things, such as being Sartre's Waiter, was also an
accomplished academic in the area of civil liberties, smashed huge
holes in the previous Control Orders, via the courts. A very special
lady, she even put some of the suspected terrorists up in her home,
whilst the cases were being conducted. Just goes to show that one
mans suspected terrorist is another woman's source of income...
Now that she has retired, the mice have come out to play and they
(the Home Office and the Govt) are now trying to tidy up the
legislation, narrow it down to those bits which have been approved by
the courts. They aren't in a rush, but most of it has been thrashed
out previously...see above. And they will probably pass it into law
in the "clean up" (I have forgotten the name they use, but the same
process was used under the last government to introduce the
controversial aspects of the Copyright legislation) legislation, just
before Parliament resigns in order to conduct a General Election in
May 2015. Nuffink to worry about really. We have had worse, during
the Irish problems, and at least we aren't as yet creating "H" blocks.
What is noticeable is that they wish to return to the relocation
process which cost so much money. This is because they think that by
moving the suspect away from home, he/she cannot contact their
peers. And though they wish to protect the civil liberties of the
nation, they have as yet, not understood, what it would be like to
have a suspected terrorist living next door to one in a block of
flats. With the residents thereof, not knowing of their background,
just like they do for child molestors. Such a policy can be very
dangerous and pose a real threat, as supervision is envisaged as an
electronic tag and a piece of paper. Still, they might just decide
to organise a shelter for them at No.12 Downing Street, or next to
the Home Office...who knows...:-).
The third prong is if or how they can prevent suspected terrorists
who are British Subjects, from returning home, by detaining and
questioning them or removing their passports, before or after leaving
the terrorist war. And whether other countries might take up our
example and start detaining British Subjects and taking away their
passports in the name of terrorism...Difficult questions...
ATB
Dougie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Peirce
On 29/11/14 00:46, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
here goes Douggie
first is the committee report(pdf)
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/joint-committees/human-rights/Daivd_Anderson_Transcript_271114.pdf
and here is the info about the proposed legislation in question.
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2014-15/counterterrorismandsecurity.html
happy reading Douggie
ATB
Shaun
On 28/f11/2014 23:19, doug wrote:
Hi Shaun,
Care to expand...a url...perhaps. Stakeholders is certainly a
Labour term...Blair and all that. The Tories using it sounds
most...auger us.
ATB
Dougie.
Hi Douggie
Things are getting quite, erm interesting here in the uk, a piece
of legislation is being rushed through our parliament, but heres
the interesting bit although it is being rushed through it is not
classified as urgent. also comments have been made to the effect
that, for a draft bill. parts appear to be very well developed.
even more intriguing is that this piece of proposed legislation
dealing with widening powers perportedly in the name of
counterterrorisim. appears to be supported by "stakeholders" a
rather odd anomaly for a government bill supposedly drafted in
conjunction with or on the advice of the UK security services. I
think I have the pdf's somewhere both of the proposed bill, the
explanatory notes and a draft committee meeting discussing the bill.
ATB
Shaun
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