[cryptome] Re: Business Wants Accessible Crypto from Business
- From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:36:59 +0000
Well put Dougie and I think the nub of the problem is getting that
rather delicate balance right regardless of political ideology, country,
etc.
There's a long walk ahead before this mess gets sorted out
ATB
Shaun
On 14/02/2015 18:33, doug wrote:
>
>
> POTUS says in the same article:
>
> Quote: "The president, in outlining his executive order, acknowledged
> the history of breached trust and the challenge that poses: "In all
> our work we have to make sure we are protecting the privacy and civil
> liberty of the American people. And we grapple with these issues in
> government. We've pursued important reforms to make sure we are
> respecting peoples' privacy as well as ensuring our national
> security." end of quote.
>
> Obviously he represents the citizens of the USA. However, because
> that leaves the rest of us in limbo, the rest of the world doesn't
> have any rights as far as the USA and its organisations are concerned,
> then there is no point in co-operating with the USA, the intelligence
> and security services or the US global corporations.
>
> Until the US government is prepared to respect the international and
> national human rights of people and their organisations, and the
> privacy and the security of other peoples and their governments...any
> moves by the US government ain't gonna work, will be considered as
> hype, and people will continue to mistrust, to hack, to compete, to
> undermine, just as the USA does to them...with impunity. And that,
> as the the ruling elites are discovering, very slowly...is no good for
> any economic system. I also apply the same principles to the ruling
> elites of other nation states by the way, and not just having a dig on
> the basis that "we are better than thou"..
>
> Now, if POTUS and the US and other ruling circles were to screw the
> nut and realise that they have to share and not attempt to take, take,
> take everything all the time, then the IT world might just get on to a
> better footing. The US is not alone in that respect, lots of
> governments have picked up bad habits and followed the US example, and
> they have all learned from each other. Obviously, it is going to be
> done the hard way, when it starts to cost so much that the economy or
> business becomes unsustainable, then there will be a willingness to
> compromise. After all to win hearts and minds, one has to grab them
> by the goolies...now who said that...I wonder.
>
> Perhaps we need to go back to the good old days when governments had
> to get a warrant to monitor or surveil the citizens of the world,
> instead of the carte blanche grab all mentality. We need
> internationally enforceable human rights laws...and again...the USA is
> not keen to be a party to that. All this information gathering is bad
> for ordinary individuals, because the information can be distorted,
> bits of it selected or telescoped, so that it looks like conspiracies
> are taking place.
>
> In the UK, the GCHQ has an agency which helps companies to develop
> better security...
>
> see url: http://www.cesg.gov.uk/Pages/homepage.aspx
>
> However, how many people or companies use it...is a different matter.
> It must be quite difficult for a body corporate to go to the CESG for
> help, especially, when their leadership hears all about the dirty
> tricks, the double dealing and the backdoor hypocrisy that goes on.
>
> Can we set up a situation where cypherpunks and the NSA work nicely
> and constructively together...:-) ...because that is what is needed.
> Can the NSA work with the Chinese and vikki verki...without
> compromising the rights of the citizens of both nation states...that
> is the problem
>
>
> The US lead in information technology, and its sheer size, isn't going
> to last for much longer. At least, if the FBI etc are coming out of
> the closet and starting to share information with US companies
> commercially and telling the world that they are doing that, it is an
> advance, rather than doing it in secret. But it does raise a new set
> of questions and problems...
> ATB
> Dougie.
>
>
>
> On 14/02/15 14:15, John Young wrote:
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-cybersecurity-plan-why-the-government-cant-protect-us/
>>
>>
>> "Dave DeWalt, CEO of security firm Mandiant, a participant in
>> Friday's summit, hopes that fear of privacy invasion won't get in the
>> way of the work that needs to get done. He pointed to the way the way
>> public backlash to government surveillance programs revealed by
>> former NSA contractor Edward Snowden stymied previous efforts to
>> effectively open the lines of communication.
>>
>> "This balance between privacy and security ebbs and flows and
>> unfortunately that was a huge setback -- a setback to the tune of
>> several years," he said.
>>
>> via cypherpunks
>>
>
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*_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _*
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/when-time-comes-we-need-be-ready-fight-tpps-secret-anti-user-agenda
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