[cryptome] Re: Ask Zelda

  • From: Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:24:57 -0700

How would disinformation be inserted in Snowden's downloads? Can you be
more specific about the mechanism?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 6:28 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  It is still not clear, and may never be, how much of the Snowden
> material is a deceptive ruse, and he may not know either. Nor
> do the outlets to which he provided the material, none of which
> had ror have the technical or espionage capability to evaluate,
> test, judge what is legitimate, what is salted as disinfo, what is
> illusory, what is sheer bluff -- all long-lived characteristics not
> only of military affairs but specifically about comsec and
> propaganda. The latter has always used the media for broadcasting
> deception, willingly done so by media then discounted later, monetizing
> the full spectrum of faith and infidelity.
> Official and private skeptics of Snowden assert a classic deception
> operation is underway, canards of deception themselves:
>  http://cryptome.org/2014/08/snowden-deception-question.htm
> To be sure, it is likely Snowden quietly distributed material to others
> with capabilities lacking in journalists and polemicists, either
> beforehand
> or afterwards. This would be conventional operational security to
> not put all eggs in the omelets of journalism alone.
> There are hints in published accounts by Greenwald and Harding
> that before Snowden gained Poitras' highly skeptical confidence
> he was in contact with intermediaries who could vet his offerings
> with technical and espionage skills -- none have come forward to
> admit this prior Poitras-Greenwald-Gellman review but their names
> are online awaiting disclosure.
> Moreover, there seems to be parallel assessment of the Snowden
> caches, however many there are -- dozens of fragments have been
> shared according to published reports. But the alleged bulk of the
> material remains unreleased, ranging from 58,000 to 1.7 million
> items (pages or files). Gellman has never stated the size of the
> cache provided to him, except citing one example of examining
> 200,000 pages to identify certain info.
> And it is noteworthy that all the reported holders of Snowden
> material claim to have checked with authorities before publication.
> Smoke and mirrors, for sure of which Bamford is a master.
> But then, Zelda, are we not all capable of playing the Zelda ruse.

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