Lucas: What doug and John said ^ but in other words, if the NSA may have suspected snowden was leaking documents or about to leak documents so they 'poisoned the milk' as they say; give him fake/bad info. it is totally possible that this may have happened. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > How would disinformation be inserted in Snowden's downloads? Can you be > more specific about the mechanism? > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 6:28 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> It is still not clear, and may never be, how much of the Snowden >> material is a deceptive ruse, and he may not know either. Nor >> do the outlets to which he provided the material, none of which >> had ror have the technical or espionage capability to evaluate, >> test, judge what is legitimate, what is salted as disinfo, what is >> illusory, what is sheer bluff -- all long-lived characteristics not >> only of military affairs but specifically about comsec and >> propaganda. The latter has always used the media for broadcasting >> deception, willingly done so by media then discounted later, monetizing >> the full spectrum of faith and infidelity. >> >> Official and private skeptics of Snowden assert a classic deception >> operation is underway, canards of deception themselves: >> >> http://cryptome.org/2014/08/snowden-deception-question.htm >> >> To be sure, it is likely Snowden quietly distributed material to others >> with capabilities lacking in journalists and polemicists, either >> beforehand >> or afterwards. This would be conventional operational security to >> not put all eggs in the omelets of journalism alone. >> >> There are hints in published accounts by Greenwald and Harding >> that before Snowden gained Poitras' highly skeptical confidence >> he was in contact with intermediaries who could vet his offerings >> with technical and espionage skills -- none have come forward to >> admit this prior Poitras-Greenwald-Gellman review but their names >> are online awaiting disclosure. >> >> Moreover, there seems to be parallel assessment of the Snowden >> caches, however many there are -- dozens of fragments have been >> shared according to published reports. But the alleged bulk of the >> material remains unreleased, ranging from 58,000 to 1.7 million >> items (pages or files). Gellman has never stated the size of the >> cache provided to him, except citing one example of examining >> 200,000 pages to identify certain info. >> >> And it is noteworthy that all the reported holders of Snowden >> material claim to have checked with authorities before publication. >> >> Smoke and mirrors, for sure of which Bamford is a master. >> >> But then, Zelda, are we not all capable of playing the Zelda ruse. >> > >