[cryptome] Re: Ask Zelda

  • From: Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:00:02 -0700

Lucas: What doug and John said ^

but in other words, if the NSA may have suspected snowden was leaking
documents or about to leak documents so they 'poisoned the milk' as they
say; give him fake/bad info. it is totally possible that this may have

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> How would disinformation be inserted in Snowden's downloads? Can you be
> more specific about the mechanism?
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 6:28 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  It is still not clear, and may never be, how much of the Snowden
>> material is a deceptive ruse, and he may not know either. Nor
>> do the outlets to which he provided the material, none of which
>> had ror have the technical or espionage capability to evaluate,
>> test, judge what is legitimate, what is salted as disinfo, what is
>> illusory, what is sheer bluff -- all long-lived characteristics not
>> only of military affairs but specifically about comsec and
>> propaganda. The latter has always used the media for broadcasting
>> deception, willingly done so by media then discounted later, monetizing
>> the full spectrum of faith and infidelity.
>> Official and private skeptics of Snowden assert a classic deception
>> operation is underway, canards of deception themselves:
>>  http://cryptome.org/2014/08/snowden-deception-question.htm
>> To be sure, it is likely Snowden quietly distributed material to others
>> with capabilities lacking in journalists and polemicists, either
>> beforehand
>> or afterwards. This would be conventional operational security to
>> not put all eggs in the omelets of journalism alone.
>> There are hints in published accounts by Greenwald and Harding
>> that before Snowden gained Poitras' highly skeptical confidence
>> he was in contact with intermediaries who could vet his offerings
>> with technical and espionage skills -- none have come forward to
>> admit this prior Poitras-Greenwald-Gellman review but their names
>> are online awaiting disclosure.
>> Moreover, there seems to be parallel assessment of the Snowden
>> caches, however many there are -- dozens of fragments have been
>> shared according to published reports. But the alleged bulk of the
>> material remains unreleased, ranging from 58,000 to 1.7 million
>> items (pages or files). Gellman has never stated the size of the
>> cache provided to him, except citing one example of examining
>> 200,000 pages to identify certain info.
>> And it is noteworthy that all the reported holders of Snowden
>> material claim to have checked with authorities before publication.
>> Smoke and mirrors, for sure of which Bamford is a master.
>> But then, Zelda, are we not all capable of playing the Zelda ruse.

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