Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 10:56:41 +0200

Odd, Potempkin didn't feel missed.
On 8 Feb 2015 22:29, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVAka_y3BC0
>
> On 8 February 2015 at 20:39, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting, air D is an air to air with great range so it's hard to
>> punish since you use it from far.  I'm surprised with pineberry grenade
>> being slower than gun flame though.
>> On 8 Feb 2015 11:58, "Wynand-Ben" <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Manase checked out the frame data.
>>>
>>> Berry takes 19 frames to load then 10 frames to throw.  Much slower than
>>> gunflame when used in neutral.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also her jump dust gunshot gives her 5 frames of recovery when she lands
>>> apparently.  When it wiffs im wide open, cant block or airdash on my way
>>> down either.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 11:20:03 +0200
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> I nominate you for best troll :P
>>> On 8 Feb 2015 08:34, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/troll-2-and-best-worst-movie/
>>>
>>> i nominate troll2 for evo weekend
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 22:54:01 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Man Brazil is good at producing legit dudes.
>>> Funny name too :/
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu3I6qJp1Mg
>>>
>>> On 7 February 2015 at 22:21, Brian ... <dmfu360@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Oh nice! Suppose this is as close to Jade as we get. These MKX updates
>>> they keep releasing are such torture though.
>>>
>>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>>
>>> *From:* Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* ‎Saturday‎, ‎07‎ ‎February‎ ‎2015 ‎08‎:‎26‎ ‎AM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> So far, the video of MKX tells us that we may see Brutalities (Yes!) And
>>> that Jax may still be in the game as well.  His portrait is on one of the
>>> towers.
>>> Ign also noted that Kitana has a fighting Variation called "mournful"
>>> where she uses Jade's staff.
>>>
>>> On 7 Feb 2015 08:07, "Nicholas Robertson-Muir" <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yah, tekken needs a stick fighter.  He needs to wear a bandanna.
>>> On 7 Feb 2015 03:17, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Judge Judo.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Judo Chop!
>>> [image:
>>> http://brilliantfantastic.com/assets/judo-full-348fa5ee4484c3d8a7f26e439eb9d722.png]
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> They need to put in a proper Judoka. Someone like Goh from VF.
>>> And make her South African.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:54 PM, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> lol, I just noticed that SAGamer forum has a loadshedding indicator at
>>> the top of the page. That's a pretty nifty feed (if a bit sad).
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> That and persona.
>>> On 6 Feb 2015 18:32, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> yatagarasu?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 18:10:40 +0200
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Who plays that game LB?
>>> On 6 Feb 2015 18:00, "lindsey kiviets" <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tekken is racist. Hello der, its ur friendly neighborhood anime
>>> salesman. Today we hav a special on persona ultimax suplex hold for R400.
>>> Anyone? Whens yatagarsu?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 16:59:50 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/10959739_771433716288136_1558838750655320253_n.jpg?oh=6abb6d87adef73670cccd081eb483608&oe=55493461&__gda__=1432108113_7a139f8f2bdf142d0c0c9a97e46b69de
>>>
>>> Brutality confirmed?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont think they are all that different in the movies (Except of course
>>> for the last one that completely went its own course).
>>> They are the same but most of their inner or subtle emotions are shown
>>> to the audience through behavior instead hinted at or through internal
>>> monologues and whatnot.
>>>
>>> And for the trope I also came up with mostly robot/synthetic girls...
>>> but most of them had personality where rather "eccentric" when they
>>> occasionally not chilled.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 14:15:48 +0000
>>>
>>>  The movies are a different beast all together. Most of the characters
>>> a changed in that one. It’s not like Asuka from the series is the same as
>>> the movies either.
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Okay, I’d forgotten about Rei ignoring Gendo’s orders – or when
>>> she gets infected. Yeah, by then she has developed an independent
>>> personality.
>>>
>>> Mostly the trope seems to be for the robot/synthetic girl thing. Now
>>> that I think about it, I’m also having trouble remembering clear examples.
>>> That’s also because I can’t remember details from a lot of shows.
>>>
>>>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 06 February 2015 3:42 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  Cant remember all details clearly lol... used know my eva stuff by
>>> heart some years ago.
>>> You could probably describe Rei as emotionless, unhappy/depressed with
>>> low self worth(Sees herself as a replaceable tool).
>>>
>>> For the show she essentially "likes" not feeling miserable :P
>>> Due her low self worth midset the interaction with other humans is
>>> important to her.  Also why her early "responses" are related to Gendo
>>> and/or his glasses.
>>> Early on its only Gendo but that changes after the Shinji joins and
>>> later Asuka etc.
>>>
>>> The lack of her acting out in normal circumstances makes the few times
>>> she does more important.  Smiling/Laughing when talking to Gendo, Hitting
>>> shinji, her self sacrifice near the end and defying Gendo. (Im sure there
>>> are more but I havent watched the original in ages).
>>>
>>> In the beginning it looks like she would simply just follow her order
>>> because they are orders later on she makes her decisions herself.
>>>
>>> All of this is much less subtle and clear in the first 2 Rebuild movies.
>>>
>>> Cant remember the Alisa stuff clearly :/
>>>
>>> Regarding the "trope" in general.  I thought that I was familiar with
>>> the trope but now Im struggling to think of characters who can be described
>>> by it.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:35:03 +0000
>>>  Hmmm. Not sure if we’ll agree on Rei. What exactly do you recall about
>>> her personality? Did she have any likes or dislikes? Did she have any real
>>> reason for doing anything, I mean other than because Gendo asked her? I
>>> suppose you could consider being subservient a personality type. What
>>> exactly were her defining characteristics – and I don’t mean physical.
>>>
>>> Does Alisa wake up with a personality? I don’t remember the storyline
>>> well enough, so I could easily be wrong, but I don’t recall her being
>>> anything but a blank slate when she woke up. I don’t mean that she lacked
>>> all information, just that she didn’t have any personality.
>>>
>>> I might be willing to grant you the Rei thing – there are some points in
>>> the series where she does seem to be getting a personality. I’d say that
>>> the wipes/resets of her are part of the reason she qualifies though. While
>>> the others may start out with no personality, Rei is continually
>>> reset/reborn.
>>>
>>> What links them for me is mainly the nature in which they acquire
>>> personality – through almost exclusive interaction with a single male on
>>> whom they form an attachment. Anyways, while examples may differ, you’ll
>>> grant this is not a trope with which you are unfamiliar, right?
>>>
>>> For me the idea behind the character is lousy.
>>>
>>>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 06 February 2015 12:54 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  Cant agree with that.
>>>
>>> Rei's lack of showing emotion is not the same as lacking
>>> personality/soul.  I dont think her personality changes much during the
>>> show, it just becomes apparent later once she actually gets to interacts
>>> with people besides Gendo.
>>> Her motivations change and they start changing fairly early(before ep 8)
>>> in the show...  it doesnt help that she essentially gets
>>> killed/replaced/reset during the show :P
>>>
>>> But what she does makes perfect sense considering her personality and
>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> Her personality is a bit more pronounced in the new movies.
>>>
>>>
>>> I dunno about alisa.  From what I can remember of the game
>>> storie/cutscenes and movie she seems to have personality just fine and her
>>> own motivations.  Her essentially getting "mind controlled" for certain
>>> periods of time doesnt detract from what she otherwise does willingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> They are both independent characters imo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only blank slate here is Chi.  Its how she was written and she
>>> essentially starts out as a empty canvas.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:48:25 +0000
>>>  Rei  is a clone created with no soul and no personality. She may be
>>> flesh and blood, but there is no difference between her and a robot.
>>> All of them have personalities in the end, but they don’t start with
>>> them.
>>> Also, by the end of Eva, Rei’s hopes and dreams all that junk still
>>> don’t amount to more than what’s been given to her (i.e. Gendo’s plan or
>>> Shinji’s decision). Chi is purely a product of Hideki. Alisa is just doing
>>> what Lars wants, until she gets the Jin wipe.
>>> None of them exist as independent characters. Sometimes characters in
>>> the stories will assume human motivations or such things, but usually
>>> they’re just lying to themselves.
>>>
>>> Alisa is a different story in her endings – I mean she seems to be
>>> attending school and actually not just sitting in Lars’ broom closet
>>> waiting for him to get home.
>>>
>>>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 06 February 2015 11:40 AM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  Eh...
>>>
>>> I dont really see the connections that binds those 3.
>>>
>>> Rei & Chi the "emotionless" aspect.
>>> Chi & Alisa are both "young" naive robots.
>>> I think Rei and Alisa have got personalities tho but not really Chi.
>>>
>>> Only one of the chars who really fits the trope I think you are
>>> describing would be Chi imo
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:12:44 +0000
>>>  Ugh. I have a dislike for the trope. She’s the same as Rei in Eva, or
>>> Chi in Chobits. Female characters with no personality. I understand why
>>> they’re popular – they can in no way ever be threatening or take any
>>> decisions which will negatively impact the people in their lives. They can
>>> have no personality flaws because all they will ever have learned comes
>>> from the (usually pathetic) main character on whom they are dependent. It’s
>>> a pretty insulting phenomenon.
>>> Effectively they’re blow-up dolls who can also clean the house and do
>>> laundry. Character design? What a joke.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 06 February 2015 10:58 AM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  Alisa is still there -_-"
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  As cheerful as I am to see Paul and King there, what happened to Nina?
>>> Or for that matter, Lei, the Capos, Bob, Changs, Zafina… Happy that Kuma,
>>> the ‘roos and Alisa are gone. Not sure I like that they’ve been replaced by
>>> a Quincy and neko-chan.
>>>
>>> Hopefully some more of the mainstays make it back. I can’t believe that
>>> they’ll release a Tekken without Nina or Yoshi. They’ve made every previous
>>> incarnation.
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Manase Zote
>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2015 7:43 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>> 13 days?
>>> Not possible. Lol
>>>  On 5 Feb 2015 19:29, "Di Lhong" <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  13 days and counting...Namco better get their shit together.
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Same here.
>>>
>>>  The game itself looks good imo.
>>>
>>>  But that doest help me till they add my characters.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 18:33:32 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>  Characters aside I like the look of T7 :)
>>>
>>>  On 5 February 2015 at 18:08, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll rather wait until TxSF is released. Even though they haven't
>>> released any game play footage, l doubt it'll be as bad as T7.
>>>  On 5 Feb 2015 18:03, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I just noticed how stupid Bryan looks in his picture.
>>>  How does the Tekken team always let these goofy ass smiles find their
>>> way into the game.
>>>
>>>  On 5 February 2015 at 18:00, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Lee is the most important character in Tekken and I deserve everything
>>> I want.
>>>  Fuck Tekken right now.
>>>
>>>  On 5 February 2015 at 17:28, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Luckily I like multiple GG characters...  including a new addition.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tekkens new additions suck ass.
>>> And none of my interested characters are there...   Yoshi or Jack would
>>> have been acceptable if Lei was absent.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 15:13:50 +0000
>>>  Well GG released without your main as well.
>>>
>>> …although he may still be released and I don’t know about Tekken adding
>>> lots more characters to come…
>>> Maybe they’re keeping Lei as a surprise…
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2015 3:40 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  Official Tekken 7  Website is online
>>>
>>> With a character list...
>>>
>>> http://www.tekken-official.jp/tk7ac/character/
>>>
>>> Currently giving zero fucks about this game
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:50:30 -0800
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Serious?? Sounds cool
>>>  On Feb 5, 2015 1:29 PM, "Wynand-Ben" <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  You can test it with multiple displays and high speed camera.
>>>
>>>  Ive seen dedicated hardware that tests lag as well.  Little box with
>>> senson and hdmi cable.
>>>
>>>  Plug into TV.
>>>  Point at the screen.
>>>  Presson button.
>>>  And it measures the lag.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:26:48 -0800
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Hardware like???
>>>  On Feb 5, 2015 1:20 PM, "Wynand-Ben" <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Cant just use software program to test input lag.
>>>
>>>  You need the correct hardware to do proper tests.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Other than that you just have to "feel it out"
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:15:36 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> You have confused me with a really difficult question,, I guess I use
>>> TEKKEN and SF,, its really good compared to the last screen I had to play
>>> on,, it was a HD TV with about 4 - 5 frames of lag, horrible
>>>  On Feb 5, 2015 1:13 PM, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Which one do you play and do combos on Rich, the program/app for
>>> testing lag or fighting games?
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:02 PM, richard moorcroft <
>>> greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't there a program that you can use to test input lag?? There should
>>> be something like this
>>>   On Feb 5, 2015 12:53 PM, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Links(just frames), juggles, rekka type moves, movement are all vital
>>> when testing lag :)
>>>  Good choices there SAP.
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tekken, Mahvel, SF and VF
>>>   On 5 Feb 2015 12:28, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Out of interest, which games did you use for testing, Sap?
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Manase Zote
>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2015 12:27 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  This is the best method, old school but it works. lol
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or get a Hisense. Haven't experienced any lag issues with mine. Tested
>>> it in - store with several games.
>>>   On 5 Feb 2015 12:15, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Really good monitors are stupidly expensive. Find some nice HD tv that
>>> doesn’t have too much random extra processing going on – like the old
>>> Bravias. Get one of those and live with the 1-2f lag. It doesn’t kill the
>>> game or anything. You’ve played on my TV. While it does have a couple
>>> frames lag more than Paas’ screen, it’s not a problem and you adjust very
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2015 12:13 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>  The price is a bit harsh...
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Meh... at this price you're better off importing a known lag-free
>>> monitor.
>>>
>>> http://www.uprice.co.za/p/AOC-G2460PQU-24-inch-Gaming-Monitor/41408280/
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   The AOC's do lag.  From 1f to 5f depending on the model.  The non-3D
>>> version is better value for money.
>>>  If you want to go with AOC, get 24 inch"G" model.  TomsHardware says
>>> it has about 1f of input lag.  It uses a Twisted Nematic panel (TN).
>>>
>>> http://us.aoc.com/monitor_displays/g2460pqu
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:00 AM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  that's my monitor and I have no lag.
>>>
>>> best picture, however the cake is a lie.
>>>
>>> the bezel of the monitor is not as thin as in the picture.
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  From: paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 06:21:10 +0000
>>>
>>>  IPS monitor?
>>>
>>> Im sure the lag is not in my head now.  I dont think you get IPS
>>> "gaming" monitors.
>>>
>>> IPS monitors give better colours and viewing angles but anything
>>> gaming/performance/response related will be a TN panel.
>>>
>>> I would recommend going for a non IPS monitor
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:45:34 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Nope, this one
>>>
>>> http://www.kalahari.com/Technology/AOC-23-D2367PH-IPS-3D-Monitor_p_48293402
>>>  On 4 Feb 2015 17:12, "Di Lhong" <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Is this the AOC you're talking about nic?
>>>  http://www.wootware.co.za/aoc-e2370sd-23-1920x1080-led-monitor.html
>>>
>>>  Anyone have any experience with LG mp55hq?
>>>  http://www.wootware.co.za/lg-23mp55hq-23-ips.html
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pretty good, 3k.
>>>   On 4 Feb 2015 15:14, "Di Lhong" <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  How are the AOC screens in terms of lag? how much are they? need to
>>> get a screen for my pc...
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Manase Zote <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  *LOL*
>>>  Cool bro.
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:54 PM, euraima tobias <euraima@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Np mz, you know where to find me whoever feels like pressing buttons.
>>>   On 04 Feb 2015 2:32 PM, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  He is going out tonight so he won't attend and that includes me too :(
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:23 PM, euraima tobias <euraima@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm easy just let me know. What about Sap?
>>>   On 04 Feb 2015 1:37 PM, "sameegh jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Haha, nah it's no worries bro. Next time.
>>>
>>>  Actually about tonight, is it only Khan, Nic and I? (I know Salie is a
>>> maybe)
>>>
>>>  Should we postpone to next week?
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  :(
>>>
>>> Sadly I have obligations that could not get out of in Paarl this evening
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 13:25:06 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>  Paas plz.
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Btw im sadly not going to be able to make it to tonights session
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 13:06:04 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>  Zidane has been beasting with that Leo on Spooky's stream for a while
>>> now. Mynus is probably the best Ino player in the states (he usually gets
>>> bopped by Zidane though).
>>>
>>>  Playing against Faust seems frustrating, his neutral game is really
>>> solid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Ah Apex.
>>>
>>> I watched the that on stream.
>>>
>>> Was good.  Leo & Ino in top 3...  Was pretty hype when Leo reset against
>>> Faust in Grand finals.
>>>
>>> Fuck the meteors tho :P
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>  Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:31:29 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>    I think Manase meant Apex?
>>>  On 4 Feb 2015 11:30, "Di Lhong" <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> They need to make a complete version of Soul Calibur 5! with all the
>>> original cast...Alpha Pat can't replace Setsuka!   PAX is this March i
>>> think. Boston?   On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Wynand-Ben <
>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Its hard for me... 2D has GG 3D has
>>> Sour Kariba What/where was the Pax tourney?  Was stuff recorded/streamed?
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:04:06 +0200 Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>> From: bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   2D fighters all the
>>> way!!! You lost me Nick when you mentioned MK... Enough about the doomed 3D
>>> fighting game genre and more GG XRD please. I see at PAX there were no
>>> strong Sol players instead lots of tier whoring...   On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at
>>> 10:43 AM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: If you
>>> were stuck on an island somewhere, would you choose to have current 2d
>>> plane fighting games with you, or current 3d plane games with you. I know
>>> where I stand, I'll miss Jojo's ASB tho. As a fighting game fan, I think
>>> it's a decline in the 3d interest.  I believe the reason is that the
>>> characters are simply too similar.  The 3d movement is the same for most.
>>> The movesets too similar. It's something I disliked about MK as well... to
>>> some extent anyway. On 4 Feb 2015 09:41, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: VF5 – people realise it is boring
>>> and don’t play it much T6:BR – Tekken scene declines.   Yeah, it’s sneaky
>>> how they follow the VF trends.   From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ryan Williams Sent:
>>> 04 February 2015 8:55 AM To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: DRE:
>>> CTS community mail   It was 'borrowed' from Virtua Fighter. You can trace
>>> these things back to VF2 days. VF2 - Sega adds characters with 3D axis
>>> movement T2 - Namco follows suit VF3 - Sega adds undulating stages and a
>>> new 'evade' mechanic (Essentially a sidestep button but multi-purpose).
>>> Some stages are also enclosed (have walls). T3 - Namco also introduces a
>>> sidestep mechanic. The walls and undulating stages first make an appearance
>>> in T4. VF5 - Sega introduces a B! mechanic. T6 - Namco introduces a B!
>>> mechanic. If you follow the chronology of these releases, you will see that
>>> Namco would typically release a new Tekken a year (sometimes more) or so
>>> after the release of a new Virtua Fighter. On 4 Feb 2015 08:38, "richard
>>> moorcroft" <greattekkenmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Who's mechanic then??
>>> Some other fighter?? On Feb 4, 2015 8:30 AM, "Ryan Williams" <
>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Because it was never their mechanic to
>>> begin with. On 4 Feb 2015 07:52, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote: Dear Namco, How can you not get the main system mechanic right? Oh I
>>> forgot it's all about them juggles ;) From a few matches I saw Bryan is
>>> another victim of this system change, Mr Naps got owned in a Japanese
>>> tournament because of weak combos. On 3 Feb 2015 17:14, "Di Lhong" <
>>> geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: This is according to current version. Not
>>> sure how he'll end up though. But he's one of the few characters who
>>> doesn't suffer from not having B!   On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:33 PM,
>>> Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sweet. He's
>>> been threatening to move out the mid-tiers for a while now. Sent from my
>>> Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Di Lhong<mailto:
>>> geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: ‎2015-‎02-‎03 16:28 To:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: DRE:
>>> CTS community mail Good news for Paul in T7. JDCR and Knee said he's top
>>> tier. A lot of the characters got indirect nerf from removing B!... Law is
>>> bottom tier. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> wrote: How will tricking Di into getting an xbone get you more friends?
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: lindsey
>>> kiviets<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> Sent: ‎2015-‎02-‎03 16:07 To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail It was
>>> worth a try. :( i hav no friends ________________________________ Date:
>>> Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:02:18 +0200 Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail From:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> LB plz. On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:57 PM,
>>> lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>> Get a xbone. There a dude on the forum selling one for 4800 with 2 games
>>> ________________________________ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 15:48:20 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Anyone know the price of a PS3 console
>>> nowadays? i think it's time for me to invest in one lolz On Tue, Feb 3,
>>> 2015 at 3:39 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote: Ky > From:
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail > Date:
>>> Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:34:05 +0000 > > I have retreated to the mountains to
>>> improve my Kai game. > > Sent from my Windows Phone >
>>> ________________________________ > From: sameegh jardine<mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>>> > Sent: ‎2015-‎02-‎03 14:57 > To:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> > Subject: Re:
>>> DRE: CTS community mail > > Stu plz. > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:33 PM,
>>> Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote: > -1 for a session. > > Sent
>>> from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Nicholas
>>> Robertson-Muir<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>>> > Sent: ‎2015-‎02-‎03 14:30 > To:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> > Subject: Re:
>>> DRE: CTS community mail > > > +1 for session. > > On 3 Feb 2015 14:24,
>>> "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > +1 if there's a session > > On
>>> 03 Feb 2015, at 2:12 PM, euraima tobias <euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> euraima@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> euraima@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:euraima@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > > >
>>> Are we sessioning tomorrow? Let me know who's keen? > > On 03 Feb 2015 1:55
>>> PM, "sameegh jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> ><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >><mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > lol, this
>>> makes me remember the time you had an argument with the guy at Wonderland
>>> around the buttons/sticks they use as opposed to the Japanese brands > > On
>>> Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > And charge +- R4000 for that shit.
>>> > Are they fucking mad !!!?? > > > > Rant over > back to work > > On 3
>>> February 2015 at 13:32, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > It actually makes me fucking
>>> furious that these shit eating cock ring coasters think they can slap a few
>>> rands worth of antiquated electronics and a pirated bootleg ass broken PCB
>>> in to some cheap chip board and try call it a retro arcade cabinet. > Shit
>>> is fake first of all and secondly there is a huge difference between retro
>>> and plain old broken shit. > > > > On 3 February 2015 at 13:16, Stephen
>>> Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > I
>>> could never buy such poor cabs. > They are overpriced and terribly made
>>> with wrong everything. > The thing that pisses me off is that these fucking
>>> vultures are ripping people off > that don't know better. > > These are not
>>> game koppe > fuck them. > > On 3 February 2015 at 11:30, Manase Zote <
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >>><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:
>>> bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote: > > Lol > The controls need an overhaul
>>> since sanwa/seimatsu parts are not only better but also different from our
>>> local ones which suck ass. > > On 3 Feb 2015 10:33, "lindsey kiviets" <
>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:
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