Thanks Don,
With the BGR offerings I am in pretty good shape to model this train, only
missing the Grand and "R" cars. Last I looked, the Grand were not
mentioned as a possible future car on the BGR web site but the "R" were.
Again, thanks for the information Don,
Mike
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Don Thomas <thomasd@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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Here are the assignments for the 1952 summer timetable, at the time the
3100s were still running this train:
Train 21, Montreal-Toronto
2100 Montreal-Hamilton, V-series 8-4 (ex Saturday)
2101 Montreal-Hamilton, Lake series 4 Cpt 1DR lounge (buffet open
Montreal-Toronto only)
2104 Montreal-London R-series 8-1-2 (ex Saturday)
2107 Montreal-Detroit Grove series 10-5
2110 Montreal-Toronto Grand series 14 SBR
2111 Montreal-Toronto Grand series 14 SBR (ex Saturday)
2112 Montreal-Toronto Grand series 14 SBR (ex Saturday, doesn't run summer)
2113 Montreal-Toronto Grove series 10-5
2115 Montreal-Toronto T-series 12-1 modernized
2116 Montreal-Toronto T-series 12-1 modernized
2117 Montreal-Toronto Lake series 4 Cpt 1DR lounge (ex Saturday)
Diner and parlor car ran west of Toronto only. There were also coaches.
Train 22, Toronto-Montreal
2204 London-Montreal R-series 8-1-2 (ex Saturday)
2207 Detroit-Montreal Grove series 10-5
2210 Toronto-Montreal Grand series 14 SBR
2211 Toronto-Montreal Grand series 14 SBR (ex Saturday)
2212 Toronto-Montreal Grand series 14 SBR (ex Saturday, doesn't run summer)
2213 Toronto-Montreal Grove series 10-5
2215 Toronto-Montreal T-series 12-1 modernized
2216 Toronto-Montreal T-series 12-1 modernized
2217 Toronto-Montreal 4 Cpt 1DR lounge (ex Saturday)
7620 Hamilton-Montreal V-series 8-4 (ex Saturday)
7621 Hamilton-Montreal Lake series 4 Cpt 1DR lounge (buffet open
Toronto-Montreal only)
Diner and parlor car ran west of Toronto only. There were also coaches.
I believe these cars are shown from rear to front in both directions.
These trains had operated in generally similar configuration for years and
continued in this manner until the late 1950s when the number of cars began
to decline, and more lightweight sleepers were operated.
Note that the positions of the Montreal-Hamilton cars varied with direction
of the train. Westbound there was a lounge at each end while eastbound they
were close together. The Toronto-Hamilton cars operated in
Toronto-Hamilton-Buffalo trains in conjunction with the TH&B and New York
Central. These trains had their own dining service so the buffet in the
Lake
car didn't need to operate. Toronto-London-Detroit cars ran in trains 21-22
west of Toronto, part of through Toronto-Chicago service with New York
Central.
13-section cars only operated in tourist sleeper service. These were 12-1
cars with the drawing room door removed and the berths sold as a section.
CP
had four 14-section cars built for first class service and at this time all
four were assigned to Montreal-Saint John NB service. CP had many
14-section
tourist sleepers but tourist cars weren't assigned to this line.
Don Thomas
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From: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
jpinchbeck@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:36 PM
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cpsig] Re: 21-22
Would the sleepers have generally been 12-1's or could there have been 13
section, 14 section, 8-4's and or 10-5's?
The Assignment of Space document would list what was regularly assigned to
the train.
jeff
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