Hello Elena,
I just received the text, in Russian and English:
VIOLATION/INFRINGEMENT OF THE HIERARCHY LEADS TO DEATH.
SOPHIE HELLINGER
Seminar of Bert and Sophie Hellinger in Moscow.
The first wife of my husband and their daughter did not leave the house
for a year.
Afflicted by witchcraft (Bert Hellinger calls it "bad thoughts"), there
was also the influence of special services (surveillance, audition). And
two healthy, wonderful women, mother and daughter stopped leaving the
house. And six months before the seminar, they refused to eat and
brought themselves to dystrophy…
I was at a seminar and I felt that Bert can help.
This was Sophie's first visit to Russia, and I did not know how she works.
I already knew Bert's work.
And I asked: "Bert, can I bring mother and daughter to the seminar, who
is diagnosed with schizophrenia?" Bert felt deep inside him and said:
"Yes, you can bring them to the seminar."
My husband did not believe that constellation could help, and that his
wife and daughter would agree to leave the house. They did not accept
the help of doctors, refused to talk to them, and did not want to leave
the house more than 1 year.
And I asked him: "Let's try! We'll just arrive in the morning and take
them to the seminar. And if they do not agree, we will not take them ... "
And my husband agreed.
Since mother and Daughter were categorically against doctors,
psychologists, psychotherapists (traumas of being in the hospital), we
just said, that a philosopher from Germany can try to help.
It's a miracle, that when we arrived, mother and daughter were already
dressed and ready to go. They did not ask a single question. It was like
some greater power behind it.
And the constellation was conducted by Sophie Hellinger.
My husband was born in the GULAG, a family of exiled Moldovans. And his
first wife from the family of the head of the Magadan camps. In one
family, prisoners and guards joined.
In constellation, my husband was sitting with his father (grandfather's
daughter), who survived the GULAG, in the circles of countless dead.
There were so many of them, dead in the GULAG and belonging to the
field, that all of us, participants, gave our shoes - the
represesentatives of the dead.
Mother was drawn to the dead.
Daughter held mother's hand.
In constellation, Sophie slowly, very slowly brought mother and
daughter out of the field of the dead to the field of life. And she led
them to a representative of life.
Then, she requested daughter to say to her mother : «You are big. Here,
you are big».
Mother smiled for the first time. But the daughter could not say this.
And started to talk, to talk ...
Then Sophie knocked her by microphone on her forehead.
But it did not help either.
Violation of the hierarchy.
Love that leads to death.
And mother could not say to her daughter: «You are small here».
Constellation showed real dynamic. Very clear.
Even that in the beginning it looked like daughter wanted to help to mother…
After the seminar, both mother and daughter began to leave the house.
Socially adapted.
Every six months they are in a psychiatric hospital. This helps a little.
Mother and daughter are alive.
"Hard" work of Sophie Hellinger, caused later a great discussion.
Is it possible to work this way?
When it comes to life and death, you can work only like this.
I watched Sophie's same great work at another, a children's seminar in
Bad Reichenhall.
Sophie said to mother: "You are killing your child!" And the
constellation showed it. Murder from deep love.
And my friend, a children's therapist, left the seminar room with her
son, and later told me that "Sophie is working hard. So it is impossible! "
I answered:" Tomorrow the child will die. It is only one chance now to
stop the mother to kill her child".
Sophie – is in contact with the Great Power. Cosmic power. And we can
not judge this work from old knowledge or ordinary ideas. In contact
with Cosmic power it becomes clear. Constellation is a surgical
operation on the soul.
Operation is an operation. Such as it is. And the scalpel can not be
asked to be "softer".
It can cost someone a life.
Olga Baranova
НАРУШЕНИЕ ИЕРАРХИИ ВЕДЕТ К СМЕРТИ.
СОФИ ХЕЛЛИНГЕР
Семинар Берта и Софи Хеллингер в Москве.
Первая жена моего мужа и их дочь год не выходили из дома.
Повлияло колдовство (Берт Хеллингер называет это «плохие мысли»), также
было влияние спецслужб (слежка, прослушивание). И две здоровые женщины,
мама и дочка перестали выходить из дома. А за полгода до семинара
отказались принимать пищу и довели себя до дистрофии.
Я была на семинаре и почувствовала, что Берт может помочь. Это был
первый визит Софи в Россию, и я не знала как она работает. С работой
Берта я уже была знакома.
И я спросила: «Берт, можно привезти на семинар маму и дочку, которым
ставят диагноз шизофрения?» Берт вчувствовался в себя и произнес: «Да,
им можно помочь».
Мой муж не верил, что можно помочь и что жена и дочь согласятся выйти из
дома. Они не принимали помощь врачей, отказывались с ними разговаривать,
и не хотели выходить из дома.
И я попросила его: «Давай попробуем! Мы просто приедем утром и отвезем
их на семинар. А если они не согласятся – не отвезем…» И мой муж
согласился.
Так как мама и дочка были категорически против врачей, психологов,
психотерапевтов (травмы нахождения в больнице), мы просто сказали, что
философ из Германии может попробовать помочь.
Чудо, что когда мы приехали, мама и дочка уже были одеты, и готовы
ехать. Они не задали ни одного вопроса.
И расстановку проводила Софи Хеллингер.
Мой муж родился в ГУЛАГЕ, в семье ссыльных молдаван. А его первая жена
из семьи начальника магаданских лагерей. В одной семье соединились
заключенные и надзиратели.
В расстановке отец сидел со своим отцом (дедушкой дочери), который
пережил ГУЛАГ, в кругах бесчисленных мертвых. Их было так много, умерших
в ГУЛАГЕ и принадлежавших полю, что мы все, участники, отдали нашу
обувь – заместителей мертвых. Столько мертвых просто не поместились бы
на сцене.
Мать тянуло к мертвым. А дочь держала мать за руку.
И в расстановке, Софи вывела мать и дочь из поля мертвых в поле жизни.
И привела их к заместителю жизни.
А потом она попросила дочь сказать, что мама большая, а она маленькая.
И мама впервые улыбнулась. Но дочь не смогла этого сказать.
И начала заговариваться…
Тогда Софи стукнула ее микрофоном по лбу.
Но и это не помогло.
Нарушение иерархии.
Любовь, которая ведет к смерти.
И мама не смогла сказать дочери: ты здесь маленькая.
После семинара и мать и дочь стали выходить из дома. Социально
адаптировались.
Каждые полгода они лежат в психиатрической больнице. Это мало помогает.
Мама и дочь живы.
«Жесткая» работа Софи Хеллингер, вызвала позже большую дискуссию. Можно
ли так работать? Когда речь идет о жизни и смерти, работать можно только
так.
Я наблюдала такую же работу Софи на другом, детском семинаре в Бад
Райхенхалль.
Софи сказала маме: «Ты убиваешь своего ребенка!» И расстановка это
показала. Убийство из глубокой любви.
И моя приятельница, детский терапевт, вышла из зала со своим сыном и
позже сказала мне, что «Софи жестко работает. Так нельзя!» А я ответила:
«Завтра ребенок умрет». Софи – в контакте с Великой силой. СCosmic
power. И мы не можем судить об этой работе исходя из старых знаний или
обыденных представлений. В контакте с Cosmic power становится ясно.
Расстановка – это хирургическая операция на душе. Операция – это
операция. Такая, как она есть. И скальпель нельзя попросить быть
«помягче». Это может стоить кому-то жизни.
Am 22.04.2017 um 20:13 schrieb Elena Veselago e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]:
Dear Maria,
My name is Elena Veselago, I am constellation facilitator and trainer
from Moscow, and I participated at the workshop where Sophie and Bert
did this "shocking" constellation.
Yes, it was breaking the general ethics and rules, but somewhere deep in
my soul I felt this is true.
Could you connect me and your Russian friend, please? The recording of
this constellation is like a "horror movie" in Russia and it is
important for the professional community to know the result of the
constellation.
Warmly,
Elena
e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx>
2017-04-22 20:43 GMT+03:00 Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
<mailto:mkbdc@xxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
__
Hello Everyone,
just when I finished the anterior mail , I received a call by my
Russian
friend. She will write the complete history of this family and the
constellation and I will send it to you.
Here only a short summery:
The clients were the former wife and the daughter of my friend's
ex-husband. Both, mother and daughter, were mentally ill,so my friend
asked Bert if he could work with them. Both had not left the house for
one year.
Next day, there was a big constellation . Some time after the
constellation, there was the intervention we see in the film. After
this
day, mother and daughter began to be better. This work has had a very
good effect.
The rest and details in some days. The public were Russian therapists.
Best wishes
Maria
PS.
This former husband of my friend had sent this text to the Bert
Hellinger 85th Birthday Commemorative:
Verity and Justice
Bert Hellinger is Verity and Justice. Being a Christian he developed an
understanding of the Truth – acceptance of everything happening in
life
with Gratitude to the Creator.
He doesn’t criticise as nobody else. He never judges. All the more he
doesn’t try to make requital. He sees life as the greatest creation of
God and accepts it with Gratitude.
He explains events in the Present believing that their place is in the
Past. Present is evinced Past, the result of actions that did or did
not
take place in the Past.
Bert’s genius constellations prove two truths – God is and energy of
the
past lives never disappears, it is “written” in information field of
the Earth, can be read and forms the Future.
Bert Hellinger is not an idiologist and religious mystic. He faces the
Truth and is not weary to say aloud what he sees and understands. He
doesn’t have stereotypes about life. He is objective and honest with
himself. He is one of the discoverers who can see and understand things
as they are not as he wants to or it seems to him.
Bert Hellinger reads the Past as if he doesn’t have the past, the
experience that would tell him how things should or must be. He is like
a child looking at the world with astonishment and gratitude and he is
not horrified, not scared, he doesn’t moralize. Purity and Love is his
starting point of perception of life and dialogue with the world.
He is a great Thinker. He thinks as God would think. It is no mere
chance that one of his books is called “With God in Mind”. He is one of
a few people in the world who love this world with endless joy, the
world that was created by God and where there is God.
We have interest to his books because first of all there is a dialogue
with God and love to God in them. He realized long ago that pain and
misery is nothing but way to cleanup and enlightenment and that God is
just and endlessly merciful. All happening on the Earth is being born
from Truth and Love. Babies are born in blood and pain and we realise
that it is the most beautiful moment in life and Bert appreciates this
beauty of creation. And he brings us the light of this great Truth. The
light of Gratitude.
And as I am reading in this book now, I add another text:
Peter A. Levine, Boulder, CO, USA
Hellinger tribute
At this time of his 85th birthday, I reflect back on meeting this
remarkable man. I first met Bert Hellinger when he invited me to
present
at his conference in Wurzburg, Germany. At that time we had a brief
encounter. We discovered that we had a number of students who were
studying with both of us. He had wanted to learn more about my approach
and what I was teaching. So some time later, he sent word that he
wanted
to observe one of my trainings. Bert arrived for my advanced level
Somatic Experiencing trauma training in Switzerland. I wondered what he
could possibly comprehend without the background of the previous
courses. However, during that time I had the uncanny experience of him
observing me teaching. It became clear that he was taking in much more
than the content of what I was presenting; he was observing its
essence,
and seeing into my soul. I was deeply touched by this. And when I did a
demonstration, he seemed to be tracking it at a profoundly deep level.
During the time of the class in Weggis, we shared many of our meals.
During those memorable encounters, I got to experience both the
pioneering brilliance of this extraordinary man as well as his
compelling quality of innocent curiosity. I was of course honored that
he had the interest in what I was doing and so grateful to learn from
his profound simplicity. What became clear was the vast wisdom of this
man and our varied but shared conception that deep healing does not
come
from the retelling and rehashing of an individual’s “story” but from
universal archetypes operating through the ether of ancestral memory.
Most compelling about meeting Bert was his passion and tenacity to
go to
the root of a solution, to take the journey of the soul. The I Ching
(the Chinese book of changes) says:
“We must go down to the very foundations of life. For any merely
superficial ordering of life that leaves its deepest needs unsatisfied
is as ineffectual as if no attempt at order had ever been made.”
Bert Hellinger’s commitment to this principle is unwavering. He is a
seeker of truth and of the journey of the soul as it lives through us.
Thank you Bert.
Am 22.04.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
<mailto:mkbdc@xxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk]:
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> Your question concerning the Potsdam Declaration makes me answer
> again,"and what has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke
> this regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? "
> The Potsdam Declaration and other critical attacs of Bert
Hellinger are
> treated in the book "Die Entwicklung des Familienstellens nach Bert
> Hellinger: Über Psychotherapie hinaus " by Thomas Gehrmann
(S.88ff) .The
> author`s main theses is that many persons don`t understand that
> Hellinger's family constellations and psychotherapie are two different
> fields.
> One consequence of this "battle" was that Bert took the way to
Spain and
> Latin America after having been excluded by German constellators.
>
> Since 1999 I found the critic of persons who didn't leave
Hellinger that
> they are "caught in a cult , that they are blindly following a revered
> and feared leader". The first one was Hans Jellouschek who did not
> accept that Bert commented the presence of a dead person in the
> constellation. I don't follow Hellinger as a revered and feared leader
> but as a source of love, inconditional love, and in the comunity of
> Spanish speaking constellators I feel at home. Compared with the
German
> Scene I only know, they are so full of respect and love.
>
> Someone here asked for the traduction of "Orders of Love". In Mexico
> they speak of " the basic principles of life" (los principios
básicos de
> la vida) as synomym to "Orders of Love".
>
> I have seen so many attacs to Bert and Sophie which I could
ignore, they
> did not affect me. Now I am asking myself: Why does this attac
provoked
> by a posting of an extract of You Tube from Russia affects me so much?
> Hellinger has always shown that he is the chef in the ring. Fide
> Ingwersen describes it when all the German Therapists went to Bert's
> primal Therapy group. He always has confronted individuals by sending
> them back to their place or out of the room if he thought it had
to be so.
> That in this case this behavior is put in the neighbourhood of
fascisme,
> this provokes me a big pain. Perhaps it triggles the pain I had when
> German facilitators like Dr. Langlotz and others treated Bert as
nazi ,
> more than 10 years ago. And here this critic has been done by a
person I
> admire and love so much.
>
> On the other side, I have been in Cancun this february for the
official
> mexican fare-well of Bert, and Bert let us all know how deap there has
> been his suffering from the exclusion in Germany. Perhaps that is the
> second reason why it affects me so much here. For me , I feel it
like a
> deep lack of love and respect.
>
> Concluding I want to send you a link of a lady, with her private
history
> , and I remember the constellation Sophie was directing with her:
Nearly
> all of us were shocked by Sophie's intervention. But the result
was healing.
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWohbnHetQ&index=4&list=PL2tMu0ccKsHVVMZie1KkMmiX8dT_i8u4h
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWohbnHetQ&index=4&list=PL2tMu0ccKsHVVMZie1KkMmiX8dT_i8u4h>
>
> Best wishes for all, and thanks for your work .
> Maria
>
> Am 20.04.2017 um 22:47 schrieb Kathy Curran
> kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]:
>>
>>
>> Heiki:
>>
>> Thanks for reprinting the Potsdam Declaration. For those of us
newer in
>> constellations, might you also share who authored this, who signed it
>> (not every name, but rather - all people in attendance at x,
etc.,) and
>> what has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke this
>> regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? This
>> would be very helpful.
>>
>> In general I have appreciated this conversation very much. We do deal
>> with what could be thought of as esoteric energies and often working
>> with those kinds of energies conjures up the idea of a cult - blindly
>> following a revered and feared leader. To see this diversity of
opinion
>> shared here, all respectfully, and in many cases in a very learned
>> manner, says a lot about the health of this movement. This is
>> heartening to one new in the field.
>>
>> Katherine Curran
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx ;<mailto:heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx>>
[ConstellationTalk]
>> <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Potsdam Declaration on Systemic Constellation Work (revised)
>>>
>>> The work with role-playing and constellations has a long
tradition in
>>> family and systemic therapy. Such work is rooted primarily in
>>> therapeutic techniques as they were developed in Family
Sculpture work
>>> or in Psychodrama. In the form practiced by Bert Hellinger, it has
>>> achieved a wider public recognition that it never had before.
>>>
>>> Regrettably, Hellinger has increasingly distanced himself from his
>>> original systemic work. But he is still to be given credit for his
>>> contributions in strengthening constellation work.
>>>
>>> Above all, he has developed new and innovative procedures that
promise
>>> to resolve the dynamics of entanglements.
>>>
>>> However, today we have reached the point where, not only essential
>>> parts of the practice of Bert Hellinger --- and many of his
followers
>>> ---, but also many of his statements and procedures are to be
regarded
>>> explicitly as incompatible with the fundamental premises of systemic
>>> therapy, namely:
>>> * Neglecting to clarify statements and their related directives
>>> * The application of mystifying and "self-immunizing" descriptions
>>> ("something greater", "taken into service of . . ." etc.)
>>> * The unqualified use of generalized formulations and dogmatic
>>> interpretations ("always when", "bad effect", "punished with death",
>>> "the only way", "forfeit the right," etc.).
>>> * Employing potentially humiliating interventions and submission
>>> rituals ?
>>> * The allegedly compelling linkage of these interventions with
>>> specific models of human types and their associated world views
(e.g.,
>>> regarding gender issues, parenthood, dual nationalities, etc.)
>>> * The idea that one person can reach a truth that is denied to the
>>> other person. This leads to the use of absolutist terminology and
>>> implies that, in a partnership, it is pointless to strive for
>>> cooperation in the relationship.
>>>
>>> By contrast, we validate many examples and permutations of
>>> constellation work, all being done in the context of a systemic-
>>> constructivist understanding of therapy, and within the
framework of a
>>> competent and responsible therapeutic relationship.
>>>
>>> We understand these points as constructive attempts to develop
further
>>> this already proven therapeutic technique and also to submit it to
>>> more and more scientific testing.
>>>
>>> To that extent we also resist any vague or imprecise criticism
of this
>>> kind of practice.
>>>
>>> Constellation work "beyond Hellinger" should be developed
further as a
>>> therapeutic instrument, but the close connection with his name
is not
>>> to be maintained any longer today. /
>>>
>>> July 2004 /
>>
>>
>
>
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