Dear Maria,
My name is Elena Veselago, I am constellation facilitator and trainer from
Moscow, and I participated at the workshop where Sophie and Bert did this
"shocking" constellation.
Yes, it was breaking the general ethics and rules, but somewhere deep in my
soul I felt this is true.
Could you connect me and your Russian friend, please? The recording of this
constellation is like a "horror movie" in Russia and it is important for
the professional community to know the result of the constellation.
Warmly,
Elena
e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx
2017-04-22 20:43 GMT+03:00 Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hello Everyone,
just when I finished the anterior mail , I received a call by my Russian
friend. She will write the complete history of this family and the
constellation and I will send it to you.
Here only a short summery:
The clients were the former wife and the daughter of my friend's
ex-husband. Both, mother and daughter, were mentally ill,so my friend
asked Bert if he could work with them. Both had not left the house for
one year.
Next day, there was a big constellation . Some time after the
constellation, there was the intervention we see in the film. After this
day, mother and daughter began to be better. This work has had a very
good effect.
The rest and details in some days. The public were Russian therapists.
Best wishes
Maria
PS.
This former husband of my friend had sent this text to the Bert
Hellinger 85th Birthday Commemorative:
Verity and Justice
Bert Hellinger is Verity and Justice. Being a Christian he developed an
understanding of the Truth – acceptance of everything happening in life
with Gratitude to the Creator.
He doesn’t criticise as nobody else. He never judges. All the more he
doesn’t try to make requital. He sees life as the greatest creation of
God and accepts it with Gratitude.
He explains events in the Present believing that their place is in the
Past. Present is evinced Past, the result of actions that did or did not
take place in the Past.
Bert’s genius constellations prove two truths – God is and energy of the
past lives never disappears, it is “written” in information field of
the Earth, can be read and forms the Future.
Bert Hellinger is not an idiologist and religious mystic. He faces the
Truth and is not weary to say aloud what he sees and understands. He
doesn’t have stereotypes about life. He is objective and honest with
himself. He is one of the discoverers who can see and understand things
as they are not as he wants to or it seems to him.
Bert Hellinger reads the Past as if he doesn’t have the past, the
experience that would tell him how things should or must be. He is like
a child looking at the world with astonishment and gratitude and he is
not horrified, not scared, he doesn’t moralize. Purity and Love is his
starting point of perception of life and dialogue with the world.
He is a great Thinker. He thinks as God would think. It is no mere
chance that one of his books is called “With God in Mind”. He is one of
a few people in the world who love this world with endless joy, the
world that was created by God and where there is God.
We have interest to his books because first of all there is a dialogue
with God and love to God in them. He realized long ago that pain and
misery is nothing but way to cleanup and enlightenment and that God is
just and endlessly merciful. All happening on the Earth is being born
from Truth and Love. Babies are born in blood and pain and we realise
that it is the most beautiful moment in life and Bert appreciates this
beauty of creation. And he brings us the light of this great Truth. The
light of Gratitude.
And as I am reading in this book now, I add another text:
Peter A. Levine, Boulder, CO, USA
Hellinger tribute
At this time of his 85th birthday, I reflect back on meeting this
remarkable man. I first met Bert Hellinger when he invited me to present
at his conference in Wurzburg, Germany. At that time we had a brief
encounter. We discovered that we had a number of students who were
studying with both of us. He had wanted to learn more about my approach
and what I was teaching. So some time later, he sent word that he wanted
to observe one of my trainings. Bert arrived for my advanced level
Somatic Experiencing trauma training in Switzerland. I wondered what he
could possibly comprehend without the background of the previous
courses. However, during that time I had the uncanny experience of him
observing me teaching. It became clear that he was taking in much more
than the content of what I was presenting; he was observing its essence,
and seeing into my soul. I was deeply touched by this. And when I did a
demonstration, he seemed to be tracking it at a profoundly deep level.
During the time of the class in Weggis, we shared many of our meals.
During those memorable encounters, I got to experience both the
pioneering brilliance of this extraordinary man as well as his
compelling quality of innocent curiosity. I was of course honored that
he had the interest in what I was doing and so grateful to learn from
his profound simplicity. What became clear was the vast wisdom of this
man and our varied but shared conception that deep healing does not come
from the retelling and rehashing of an individual’s “story” but from
universal archetypes operating through the ether of ancestral memory.
Most compelling about meeting Bert was his passion and tenacity to go to
the root of a solution, to take the journey of the soul. The I Ching
(the Chinese book of changes) says:
“We must go down to the very foundations of life. For any merely
superficial ordering of life that leaves its deepest needs unsatisfied
is as ineffectual as if no attempt at order had ever been made.”
Bert Hellinger’s commitment to this principle is unwavering. He is a
seeker of truth and of the journey of the soul as it lives through us.
Thank you Bert.
Am 22.04.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]:
so.
Hello Everyone,
Your question concerning the Potsdam Declaration makes me answer
again,"and what has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke
this regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? "
The Potsdam Declaration and other critical attacs of Bert Hellinger are
treated in the book "Die Entwicklung des Familienstellens nach Bert
Hellinger: Über Psychotherapie hinaus " by Thomas Gehrmann (S.88ff) .The
author`s main theses is that many persons don`t understand that
Hellinger's family constellations and psychotherapie are two different
fields.
One consequence of this "battle" was that Bert took the way to Spain and
Latin America after having been excluded by German constellators.
Since 1999 I found the critic of persons who didn't leave Hellinger that
they are "caught in a cult , that they are blindly following a revered
and feared leader". The first one was Hans Jellouschek who did not
accept that Bert commented the presence of a dead person in the
constellation. I don't follow Hellinger as a revered and feared leader
but as a source of love, inconditional love, and in the comunity of
Spanish speaking constellators I feel at home. Compared with the German
Scene I only know, they are so full of respect and love.
Someone here asked for the traduction of "Orders of Love". In Mexico
they speak of " the basic principles of life" (los principios básicos de
la vida) as synomym to "Orders of Love".
I have seen so many attacs to Bert and Sophie which I could ignore, they
did not affect me. Now I am asking myself: Why does this attac provoked
by a posting of an extract of You Tube from Russia affects me so much?
Hellinger has always shown that he is the chef in the ring. Fide
Ingwersen describes it when all the German Therapists went to Bert's
primal Therapy group. He always has confronted individuals by sending
them back to their place or out of the room if he thought it had to be
That in this case this behavior is put in the neighbourhood of fascisme,healing.
this provokes me a big pain. Perhaps it triggles the pain I had when
German facilitators like Dr. Langlotz and others treated Bert as nazi ,
more than 10 years ago. And here this critic has been done by a person I
admire and love so much.
On the other side, I have been in Cancun this february for the official
mexican fare-well of Bert, and Bert let us all know how deap there has
been his suffering from the exclusion in Germany. Perhaps that is the
second reason why it affects me so much here. For me , I feel it like a
deep lack of love and respect.
Concluding I want to send you a link of a lady, with her private history
, and I remember the constellation Sophie was directing with her: Nearly
all of us were shocked by Sophie's intervention. But the result was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWohbnHetQ&index=4&list=PL2tMu0ccKsHVVMZie1KkMmiX8dT_i8u4h
Best wishes for all, and thanks for your work .
Maria
Am 20.04.2017 um 22:47 schrieb Kathy Curran
kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]:
Heiki:
Thanks for reprinting the Potsdam Declaration. For those of us newer in
constellations, might you also share who authored this, who signed it
(not every name, but rather - all people in attendance at x, etc.,) and
what has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke this
regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? This
would be very helpful.
In general I have appreciated this conversation very much. We do deal
with what could be thought of as esoteric energies and often working
with those kinds of energies conjures up the idea of a cult - blindly
following a revered and feared leader. To see this diversity of opinion
shared here, all respectfully, and in many cases in a very learned
manner, says a lot about the health of this movement. This is
heartening to one new in the field.
Katherine Curran
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On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Potsdam Declaration on Systemic Constellation Work (revised)
The work with role-playing and constellations has a long tradition in
family and systemic therapy. Such work is rooted primarily in
therapeutic techniques as they were developed in Family Sculpture work
or in Psychodrama. In the form practiced by Bert Hellinger, it has
achieved a wider public recognition that it never had before.
Regrettably, Hellinger has increasingly distanced himself from his
original systemic work. But he is still to be given credit for his
contributions in strengthening constellation work.
Above all, he has developed new and innovative procedures that promise
to resolve the dynamics of entanglements.
However, today we have reached the point where, not only essential
parts of the practice of Bert Hellinger --- and many of his followers
---, but also many of his statements and procedures are to be regarded
explicitly as incompatible with the fundamental premises of systemic
therapy, namely:
* Neglecting to clarify statements and their related directives
* The application of mystifying and "self-immunizing" descriptions
("something greater", "taken into service of . . ." etc.)
* The unqualified use of generalized formulations and dogmatic
interpretations ("always when", "bad effect", "punished with death",
"the only way", "forfeit the right," etc.).
* Employing potentially humiliating interventions and submission
rituals ?
* The allegedly compelling linkage of these interventions with
specific models of human types and their associated world views (e.g.,
regarding gender issues, parenthood, dual nationalities, etc.)
* The idea that one person can reach a truth that is denied to the
other person. This leads to the use of absolutist terminology and
implies that, in a partnership, it is pointless to strive for
cooperation in the relationship.
By contrast, we validate many examples and permutations of
constellation work, all being done in the context of a systemic-
constructivist understanding of therapy, and within the framework of a
competent and responsible therapeutic relationship.
We understand these points as constructive attempts to develop further
this already proven therapeutic technique and also to submit it to
more and more scientific testing.
To that extent we also resist any vague or imprecise criticism of this
kind of practice.
Constellation work "beyond Hellinger" should be developed further as a
therapeutic instrument, but the close connection with his name is not
to be maintained any longer today. /
July 2004 /
