> Amen on that - changed my share of them in small business that had no > need for them other than someone made a killing on selling and > installing it when (as you mention) a cheapo Pentium/PII machine (many > times their file server works well) and doing all the > sharing/routing/firewall through it. I'm not going to suggest Hal do > that as I don't know their specifics at that site. I've only had one > that I absolutely had to reinstall a replacement Cisco - part of a 3rd > party job and the workorder specified remove old - install and setup > new. Easy $350 labor on that since it took a while to determine that the > Cisco router was at fault not letting anything on the outside talk and > wouldn't take remote SNMP commands either. Actually, even a PII is overkill. The box we're using here is a Cyrix 166 with 32MB of ram (of which only 4-6 MB are ever actually needed), and it firewalls, shapes packets, and is an ethernet bridge, so I didn't even need to modify the net topology to install it, just drop it in line. I'm actually looking for a business partner with connections to start selling these things. $200 in hardware, the market will probably support a $1200 price tag. John -- # John Madden, weez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx # Shameless plug: MailandFiles.com - Premium E-Mail and Files --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Talk Shop http://www.computertalkshop.com Un-subscribe/Vacation, http://listoptions.computertalkshop.com List HowTo: http://faq.computertalkshop.com To join Computer Talk Shop's off topic list, please goto: http://computertalkshop.com/other_cts_lists.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------