Hello Hadi,
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain the way you do
things on Vatsim. I am certain that those IYPers who are interested in
this subject matter, will be very appreciative.
Best regards,
Robert
PS. Hope to see you again on Saturdays for the Come Fly With Me sessions!
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx
<mailto:hadirezaei@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
About flying online in vatsim
First of all, you have to file a FilePlan, and the important part
of it is the route, which you should also follow it if you're in
an area which has ATC coverage. (mostly centers for example)
Let me tell you that half of the people who are online consider
themselves as king pilots and gods. some of them are total
faggots and can't even understand what's a screenreader or a
copilot controlled by voice is.
But the good thing is that there are many people out there that
totally help you out if you share the matter with them. for
example most of the united kingdom's controllers are cool, and
help you out and care for your flight.
So, for the stage one, as finding a route, your best bet is to
talk to an online controller, (i will tell you how to find an
online controller later on) and ask him to give you the exact
route of your specific flight. of course you have to write these
down somewhere for the future.
step 2: taxiing
So we can't taxi using taxiways, all we do is slewing into the
runway. so what's the solution?
if the airport has a ground or tower or approach or center
controller who's controlling the traffic of the airport:
When you've got your IFR clearance, you private message them and
tell them about your problem, and how you're using a CoPilot and
voiceCommands. then you tell him that whenever the runway is
clear, they let you know and give you permission to slew to the
<givven> runway and do the takeoff.
most of them will accept this and after the taxiways and runway is
clear will let you to slew over.
If the airport is not controlled:
you switch to uniCom on 122.8 and advise the traffics and let
them know, + you can monitor it and see who is doing what, so
whenever you have the opertunity you can slew to the runway.
step3: takeoff, going through the route, landing.
after taking off,
if the controller is online, you should ask him for radar vectoring
"XXX tower, or approach, or center, this is XXX. request radar
vectoring"
and they'll give out the headdings to you toward the airport exit
without colliding into a traffic or whatever.
if it's not controlled just turn on the GPS and hope for the best
while you're cruising:
If the center is online, ask him for radar vectoring toward your
waypoints. they will give out headings to your next waypoints. of
course your GPS should be turned off since you have to go through
a different route.
if it's not controlled: turn on your gps and continue to fly.
If you want to actually follow the real routes, you have to work
with a software called flightsim commander, which can be only
navigated by jaws. (i will write a guide for it later if you
needed it)
approach and landing:
If the center/approach is online
Request for radar vectoring toward an ILS runway, and ask them to
let you know once you're lined up with the runway, and ask them
to let you know when you have to switch to the ILS approach.
most of them just say, "XXXX, turn left heading XXX, report when
localiser is captured".
so when you know that you need to switch to ILS, you just need to
do the approach checklist.
Oh and remember to tune your nav 1 ILS to the right frequency when
you're at least 50 miles out to be completely insured.
If only the tower is online
Ask them that if they could give you directions for ILS, if not,
just do a visual approach on the active runway, and switch to
their frequency when they ask you to. (they usually do it once
you're at least 12 miles out, or more, to give you landing
clearance and such)
If the airport is not been controlled
monitor unicom and hope for the best~ just land~
Alright, there is a tool called Servinfo. you can see the online
controllers and pilots on that software.
so you just check an area and see that if it has a controller or
not, and also you can grab their callsign and use it to private
message them.
google servinfo, and if you couldn't find it, i will attach it in
my next mail.
bottomline, contact the controllers and ask them for routes, and
to assist you with alot of things.
many of them are kind and friendly.
cheers
Hadi
On 6/30/2013 1:12 AM, Jason Fayre wrote:
Hi,
I would also be very interested in this. I have a vatsim
account, but haven't done anything with live ATC yet.
Scott, I'm not sure if you remember, but you're the one who
got me into flight sim in the first place. This was back with
fs 2002 and fsNav. Things have come a long way!
On 6/29/2013 12:19 PM, Scott Shade wrote:
Okay, if someone can cue me in on where to look for this
data, I'd be greatful. I'd like to experiment with flying
a flight on vatsim using the live ATC mode, butt, a few
questions come to mind. First, with live ATC mode a
squawk box file gets created by IYP from the existing
flightplan. It was my experience before, when I tried
this, that using high altitude airways, or using the VOR
to VOR plan mode, didn't entirely match with the routes
that Vatsim operators wanted us to use. Keep in mind,
that this was a couple years ago when I tried this.
Where's a good site to go to so that flight plans can be
done, that will be workable with vatsim operators, or, how
have people worked around that issue as a BvI pilot
before? Second, I had a controler that covers the air
space around columbus Ohio from cleveland tell me that for
my landings, given my situation, I should request a
precision approach to the runway, so that I would be in
line to intercept glide slopes and the like. Is this
approach similar to what the microsoft ATC does for us
when bringing us in? Finally, since Vatsim has a training
organization, with supervisory staff in place, what has
been people's experiences with getting alternative
services from the staff, such as allowing for the slew to
runway and or gate, and or the go around approaches, since
we can't hold on a specific VOR yet, or the inability to
fly sid and star pairs for our routes? Maybe it was my
lack of preparation, or maybe I just had people that
weren't prepared to be accomodating, but, when I tried
this last time, I got a supervisor for chicago tell me
that I needed to know and use my charts and that it wasn't
his responsibility to give me the data for the airport
approaches as I should have that on my charts. This is not
the thing you want to hear as you're coming in to chicago
O'Hare, and, obviously, those nice glossy graphic charts
don't mean to much to me. Seriously though, it did leave
me with a decidedly negative experience, and I'm hoping,
that it really was this guy being insensative. So I"m
hoping that a bit more preparation as to my options, and
an idea of what others have done for successful flights,
will help me out. Thanks much for the help all.
Sincerely,
Scott
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