[bvipilots] Re: live ATC, and what it means for us
- From: Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:58:23 -0700
Hello Hadi,
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain the way you do things on
Vatsim. I am certain that those IYPers who are interested in this subject
matter, will be very appreciative.
Best regards,
Robert
PS. Hope to see you again on Saturdays for the Come Fly With Me sessions!
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> About flying online in vatsim
>
> First of all, you have to file a FilePlan, and the important part of it is
> the route, which you should also follow it if you're in an area which has
> ATC coverage. (mostly centers for example)
>
> Let me tell you that half of the people who are online consider
> themselves as king pilots and gods. some of them are total faggots and
> can't even understand what's a screenreader or a copilot controlled by
> voice is.
> But the good thing is that there are many people out there that totally
> help you out if you share the matter with them. for example most of the
> united kingdom's controllers are cool, and help you out and care for your
> flight.
>
> So, for the stage one, as finding a route, your best bet is to talk to an
> online controller, (i will tell you how to find an online controller later
> on) and ask him to give you the exact route of your specific flight. of
> course you have to write these down somewhere for the future.
>
> step 2: taxiing
> So we can't taxi using taxiways, all we do is slewing into the runway. so
> what's the solution?
> if the airport has a ground or tower or approach or center controller
> who's controlling the traffic of the airport:
> When you've got your IFR clearance, you private message them and tell them
> about your problem, and how you're using a CoPilot and voiceCommands. then
> you tell him that whenever the runway is clear, they let you know and give
> you permission to slew to the <givven> runway and do the takeoff.
> most of them will accept this and after the taxiways and runway is clear
> will let you to slew over.
>
> If the airport is not controlled:
> you switch to uniCom on 122.8 and advise the traffics and let them know,
> + you can monitor it and see who is doing what, so whenever you have the
> opertunity you can slew to the runway.
>
> step3: takeoff, going through the route, landing.
> after taking off,
> if the controller is online, you should ask him for radar vectoring
> "XXX tower, or approach, or center, this is XXX. request radar vectoring"
> and they'll give out the headdings to you toward the airport exit without
> colliding into a traffic or whatever.
>
> if it's not controlled just turn on the GPS and hope for the best
>
> while you're cruising:
> If the center is online, ask him for radar vectoring toward your
> waypoints. they will give out headings to your next waypoints. of course
> your GPS should be turned off since you have to go through a different
> route.
> if it's not controlled: turn on your gps and continue to fly.
> If you want to actually follow the real routes, you have to work with a
> software called flightsim commander, which can be only navigated by jaws.
> (i will write a guide for it later if you needed it)
>
>
> approach and landing:
> If the center/approach is online
> Request for radar vectoring toward an ILS runway, and ask them to let you
> know once you're lined up with the runway, and ask them to let you know
> when you have to switch to the ILS approach.
> most of them just say, "XXXX, turn left heading XXX, report when localiser
> is captured".
> so when you know that you need to switch to ILS, you just need to do the
> approach checklist.
> Oh and remember to tune your nav 1 ILS to the right frequency when you're
> at least 50 miles out to be completely insured.
>
> If only the tower is online
> Ask them that if they could give you directions for ILS, if not, just do
> a visual approach on the active runway, and switch to their frequency
> when they ask you to. (they usually do it once you're at least 12 miles
> out, or more, to give you landing clearance and such)
>
> If the airport is not been controlled
> monitor unicom and hope for the best~ just land~
>
> Alright, there is a tool called Servinfo. you can see the online
> controllers and pilots on that software.
> so you just check an area and see that if it has a controller or not, and
> also you can grab their callsign and use it to private message them.
> google servinfo, and if you couldn't find it, i will attach it in my next
> mail.
>
> bottomline, contact the controllers and ask them for routes, and to
> assist you with alot of things.
> many of them are kind and friendly.
> cheers
> Hadi
>
>
> On 6/30/2013 1:12 AM, Jason Fayre wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I would also be very interested in this. I have a vatsim account, but
>> haven't done anything with live ATC yet.
>> Scott, I'm not sure if you remember, but you're the one who got me into
>> flight sim in the first place. This was back with fs 2002 and fsNav.
>> Things have come a long way!
>>
>>
>> On 6/29/2013 12:19 PM, Scott Shade wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, if someone can cue me in on where to look for this data, I'd be
>>> greatful. I'd like to experiment with flying a flight on vatsim using the
>>> live ATC mode, butt, a few questions come to mind. First, with live ATC
>>> mode a squawk box file gets created by IYP from the existing flightplan.
>>> It was my experience before, when I tried this, that using high altitude
>>> airways, or using the VOR to VOR plan mode, didn't entirely match with the
>>> routes that Vatsim operators wanted us to use. Keep in mind, that this was
>>> a couple years ago when I tried this. Where's a good site to go to so that
>>> flight plans can be done, that will be workable with vatsim operators, or,
>>> how have people worked around that issue as a BvI pilot before? Second, I
>>> had a controler that covers the air space around columbus Ohio from
>>> cleveland tell me that for my landings, given my situation, I should
>>> request a precision approach to the runway, so that I would be in line to
>>> intercept glide slopes and the like. Is this approach similar to what the
>>> microsoft ATC does for us when bringing us in? Finally, since Vatsim has a
>>> training organization, with supervisory staff in place, what has been
>>> people's experiences with getting alternative services from the staff, such
>>> as allowing for the slew to runway and or gate, and or the go around
>>> approaches, since we can't hold on a specific VOR yet, or the inability to
>>> fly sid and star pairs for our routes? Maybe it was my lack of preparation,
>>> or maybe I just had people that weren't prepared to be accomodating, but,
>>> when I tried this last time, I got a supervisor for chicago tell me that I
>>> needed to know and use my charts and that it wasn't his responsibility to
>>> give me the data for the airport approaches as I should have that on my
>>> charts. This is not the thing you want to hear as you're coming in to
>>> chicago O'Hare, and, obviously, those nice glossy graphic charts don't mean
>>> to much to me. Seriously though, it did leave me with a decidedly negative
>>> experience, and I'm hoping, that it really was this guy being insensative.
>>> So I"m hoping that a bit more preparation as to my options, and an idea of
>>> what others have done for successful flights, will help me out. Thanks
>>> much for the help all.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott
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