[bvipilots] Re: live ATC, and what it means for us
- From: Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 03:10:31 -0700
Thanks again Hadi for all of your help. See you soon in the virtual skies!
Robert
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:46 AM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Robert
> No problem at all :)
>
> Well, i actually didn't read scot's mail carefully
> So, regarding the landing, i just explained it. if you have a controller
> online at the airport which you're landing, you have to ask for radar
> vectors. they will properly give you headings and you will do the STAR
> which is on the chart. just follow the instructions and soon you will be
> established on ILS. if he refuses to help you out with that, just turn off
> your client.
> If the controller is online, and the airport is not busy, they can even
> let you to land however you like. in that case, do the visual approach.
> Don't do visual approaches on busy airports, which have controllers,
> because they're trying to keep aircrafts in a good seperation either by
> give them specific instructions, such as heading, speed and altitude, (like
> in real), or, by instructing them to do a specific thing on the chart.
>
> By the way you can do VOR holdings, hense the "fly toward VOR"'s feature
> of itsyourplane.
> I don't fly globally alot, i just fly some specific flights (mostly in my
> country, in UK, and some flights in canada). so in my case, i've learnt
> alot of details of airports (such as tehran, my city which i live). for
> example the waypoints around it, frequencies of VOR, safe min alt, and go
> on.
>
> and that supervisor that you were talking about probably was a total dick.
> yeah a pilot should have a chart on board and look it at it and have it
> while approaching, but vatsim is a place for (everyone) to enjoy. and it's
> not real. you won't get arrested if you don't fly acording to the chart.
> So like i said for sevral times, try to ask the controller to give you
> instructions. They'll get angry if you say stuff like, "it's your
> responsibility to guide me through", but they actually come along helpfully
> if you explain the situation and ask for help.
>
> This happened to me alot of time, that a controller guided me from
> takeoff, through the cruise and even landing! he was going to give me
> exact taxi instructions but i was like "man... it's k~"
>
> I hope you can do some good flights in vatsim, if you're interested. try
> to establish a friendly relationship with the controllers, and staff around
> your home city. I think one of the reasons that i managed to fly online
> with itsyourplane even through events which more than 20 aircrafts
> outbound from an specific airport was iran's staff, they were too kind and
> helpful.
>
> Cheers
> Hadi
>
> On 7/1/2013 5:28 AM, Robert Cezar wrote:
>
> Hello Hadi,
>
> Thank you very much for taking the time to explain the way you do things
> on Vatsim. I am certain that those IYPers who are interested in this
> subject matter, will be very appreciative.
>
> Best regards,
> Robert
>
> PS. Hope to see you again on Saturdays for the Come Fly With Me sessions!
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> About flying online in vatsim
>>
>> First of all, you have to file a FilePlan, and the important part of it
>> is the route, which you should also follow it if you're in an area which
>> has ATC coverage. (mostly centers for example)
>>
>> Let me tell you that half of the people who are online consider
>> themselves as king pilots and gods. some of them are total faggots and
>> can't even understand what's a screenreader or a copilot controlled by
>> voice is.
>> But the good thing is that there are many people out there that totally
>> help you out if you share the matter with them. for example most of the
>> united kingdom's controllers are cool, and help you out and care for your
>> flight.
>>
>> So, for the stage one, as finding a route, your best bet is to talk to an
>> online controller, (i will tell you how to find an online controller later
>> on) and ask him to give you the exact route of your specific flight. of
>> course you have to write these down somewhere for the future.
>>
>> step 2: taxiing
>> So we can't taxi using taxiways, all we do is slewing into the runway. so
>> what's the solution?
>> if the airport has a ground or tower or approach or center controller
>> who's controlling the traffic of the airport:
>> When you've got your IFR clearance, you private message them and tell
>> them about your problem, and how you're using a CoPilot and voiceCommands.
>> then you tell him that whenever the runway is clear, they let you know and
>> give you permission to slew to the <givven> runway and do the takeoff.
>> most of them will accept this and after the taxiways and runway is clear
>> will let you to slew over.
>>
>> If the airport is not controlled:
>> you switch to uniCom on 122.8 and advise the traffics and let them know,
>> + you can monitor it and see who is doing what, so whenever you have the
>> opertunity you can slew to the runway.
>>
>> step3: takeoff, going through the route, landing.
>> after taking off,
>> if the controller is online, you should ask him for radar vectoring
>> "XXX tower, or approach, or center, this is XXX. request radar vectoring"
>> and they'll give out the headdings to you toward the airport exit without
>> colliding into a traffic or whatever.
>>
>> if it's not controlled just turn on the GPS and hope for the best
>>
>> while you're cruising:
>> If the center is online, ask him for radar vectoring toward your
>> waypoints. they will give out headings to your next waypoints. of course
>> your GPS should be turned off since you have to go through a different
>> route.
>> if it's not controlled: turn on your gps and continue to fly.
>> If you want to actually follow the real routes, you have to work with a
>> software called flightsim commander, which can be only navigated by jaws.
>> (i will write a guide for it later if you needed it)
>>
>>
>> approach and landing:
>> If the center/approach is online
>> Request for radar vectoring toward an ILS runway, and ask them to let you
>> know once you're lined up with the runway, and ask them to let you know
>> when you have to switch to the ILS approach.
>> most of them just say, "XXXX, turn left heading XXX, report when
>> localiser is captured".
>> so when you know that you need to switch to ILS, you just need to do the
>> approach checklist.
>> Oh and remember to tune your nav 1 ILS to the right frequency when you're
>> at least 50 miles out to be completely insured.
>>
>> If only the tower is online
>> Ask them that if they could give you directions for ILS, if not, just do
>> a visual approach on the active runway, and switch to their frequency
>> when they ask you to. (they usually do it once you're at least 12 miles
>> out, or more, to give you landing clearance and such)
>>
>> If the airport is not been controlled
>> monitor unicom and hope for the best~ just land~
>>
>> Alright, there is a tool called Servinfo. you can see the online
>> controllers and pilots on that software.
>> so you just check an area and see that if it has a controller or not, and
>> also you can grab their callsign and use it to private message them.
>> google servinfo, and if you couldn't find it, i will attach it in my next
>> mail.
>>
>> bottomline, contact the controllers and ask them for routes, and to
>> assist you with alot of things.
>> many of them are kind and friendly.
>> cheers
>> Hadi
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2013 1:12 AM, Jason Fayre wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I would also be very interested in this. I have a vatsim account, but
>>> haven't done anything with live ATC yet.
>>> Scott, I'm not sure if you remember, but you're the one who got me into
>>> flight sim in the first place. This was back with fs 2002 and fsNav.
>>> Things have come a long way!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/29/2013 12:19 PM, Scott Shade wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, if someone can cue me in on where to look for this data, I'd be
>>>> greatful. I'd like to experiment with flying a flight on vatsim using the
>>>> live ATC mode, butt, a few questions come to mind. First, with live ATC
>>>> mode a squawk box file gets created by IYP from the existing flightplan.
>>>> It was my experience before, when I tried this, that using high altitude
>>>> airways, or using the VOR to VOR plan mode, didn't entirely match with the
>>>> routes that Vatsim operators wanted us to use. Keep in mind, that this was
>>>> a couple years ago when I tried this. Where's a good site to go to so that
>>>> flight plans can be done, that will be workable with vatsim operators, or,
>>>> how have people worked around that issue as a BvI pilot before? Second, I
>>>> had a controler that covers the air space around columbus Ohio from
>>>> cleveland tell me that for my landings, given my situation, I should
>>>> request a precision approach to the runway, so that I would be in line to
>>>> intercept glide slopes and the like. Is this approach similar to what the
>>>> microsoft ATC does for us when bringing us in? Finally, since Vatsim has a
>>>> training organization, with supervisory staff in place, what has been
>>>> people's experiences with getting alternative services from the staff, such
>>>> as allowing for the slew to runway and or gate, and or the go around
>>>> approaches, since we can't hold on a specific VOR yet, or the inability to
>>>> fly sid and star pairs for our routes? Maybe it was my lack of preparation,
>>>> or maybe I just had people that weren't prepared to be accomodating, but,
>>>> when I tried this last time, I got a supervisor for chicago tell me that I
>>>> needed to know and use my charts and that it wasn't his responsibility to
>>>> give me the data for the airport approaches as I should have that on my
>>>> charts. This is not the thing you want to hear as you're coming in to
>>>> chicago O'Hare, and, obviously, those nice glossy graphic charts don't mean
>>>> to much to me. Seriously though, it did leave me with a decidedly negative
>>>> experience, and I'm hoping, that it really was this guy being insensative.
>>>> So I"m hoping that a bit more preparation as to my options, and an idea of
>>>> what others have done for successful flights, will help me out. Thanks
>>>> much for the help all.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Scott
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