[burpg] Re: Ground Software development

  • From: Jiehong Brandon Chung <jbxchung@xxxxxx>
  • To: burpg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:55:13 -0400

Just to clarify - I'm not saying Java isn't a good language to use, I'm
just saying since we've already used C# I think the advantage of working
with something we have experience with outweighs the advantage of
cross-platform compatibility, which I'm not sure we even need (unless we
aren't using a Windows machine to run it, or we have an influx of
developers who don't have Windows machines).


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Armor Harris <armorharris@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Bradon makes a good point though. Just because other people use Java
> doesn't mean that we have to. We want to avoid re-inventing the wheel on as
> much as possible.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Dean De Carli <ddecarli@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Let's save the discussions for the PDR tonight, and also keep in mind
>> that the mission control software that NASA uses is written is Java and
>> uses swing.
>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/openmct/
>>
>> Dean A. De Carli
>> Boston University
>> Electrical Engineering 2016
>>
>> BU EDF Student Technician
>> BU SEDS President
>> BU AIAA Vice President
>> Boston University Rocket Propulsion Group Systems Integration and
>> Electronics Lead Engineer
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Jiehong Brandon Chung <jbxchung@xxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't realize we had a cross-platform compatibility issue before,
>>> since all of us had Windows machines anyway. And a full version of Visual
>>> Studio is free via Dreamspark, which we all have access to as BU students.
>>> Also correct me if I'm wrong here but wouldn't running a virtual machine to
>>> run this program be more resource intensive, which is something we had an
>>> issue with when we were working with that Toshiba we used for the on-site
>>> system?
>>> And from a development standpoint, I feel like there'd be quite a
>>> learning curve with the Swing framework (I'm assuming that's what you had
>>> in mind?). Since I've been working with .NET in C# for a few years, and
>>> since a lot of the things we learned from building the MkIV software would
>>> be transferrable, I think development would go more quickly through that
>>> route. Also, if the majority of new developers have to learn one framework
>>> or the other anyway, I think it would be useful to have someone as a
>>> reference to ask questions to. Unless you or someone you had in mind is
>>> already comfortable with Swing and can take that role.
>>> Basically my vote is that unless our end product is going to be run on a
>>> Mac/Linux machine, or we have a lot of developers who don't have Windows
>>> machines, we should build this in C# with the .NET framework.
>>>
>>> - Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Kelley, Andrew, Todd <atkelley@xxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  That’s a good question. Mainly because Java supports cross-platform
>>>> compatibility. It’s risky being tied down to any given operating system or
>>>> computer when you have something on the critical path. Java is also
>>>> completely open source and doesn’t require Visual Studio to edit/compile
>>>> making it somewhat more flexible and lighter weight. It also allows
>>>> Mac/Linux users to work on the project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* burpg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:burpg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Jiehong Brandon Chung
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:44 PM
>>>> *To:* burpg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [burpg] Re: Ground Software development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering, why are we switching to Java?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Zhenjie Ruan <zhenjier@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested. When do you plan to start?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Kelley, Andrew, Todd <atkelley@xxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, well I’ve gotten 2 responses. I was hoping for more like 6-8
>>>> (though I screwed up and didn’t actually send the email until 5 hours after
>>>> I’d typed it…). Anyone who’s interested should hang around after the Mk. V
>>>> PDR that’s taking place on Monday at 9PM ET/6PM PT and we’ll discuss. This
>>>> is definitely going to be an exciting project (challenging… but exciting)
>>>> and it’s easiest to get in now before too much work has been done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* burpg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:burpg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Kelley, Andrew, Todd
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:49 PM
>>>> *To:* burpg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [burpg] Ground Software development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m looking for some folks who would be interested in working with me
>>>> on the newest revision of the ground control software – IRIS. We had a lot
>>>> of success with the software work that was done last year but there’s still
>>>> a lot to be done in terms of robustness, cross-platform compatibility, and
>>>> customizable functionality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The new version, IRIS (which stands for IntraRange Information System)
>>>> will be a Java based system with 2 parts (like this years): Olympus (the
>>>> rocket-side data collection server), and Gaia (the GUI and  control side).
>>>> I know how I want to go about the development of the system as a whole from
>>>> functionality and organizational standpoints but it’s going to take quite a
>>>> lot of work to actually implement it and implement it properly. If you’re
>>>> interested, let me know directly (don’t respond directly to this email,
>>>> send me an email at atkelley@xxxxxx. Freelists is a little too slow).
>>>> I would like to setup a meeting as soon as possible (ideally tomorrow) with
>>>> anyone interested in working on it. It’s ok if you don’t know much (or any)
>>>> Java. If you’ve done any work with C/C++ or C# then it’ll be a quick study
>>>> and if not, then no better time to learn than right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a disclaimer: This will be a tremendous undertaking in terms of
>>>> software. I’d imagine it will take somewhere between 1 and 2 months for us
>>>> to get this to a state where all the systems have at least preliminary
>>>> functionality, so be ready to work please. And work a lot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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