[brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
- From: Keith Creasy <kcreasy@xxxxxxx>
- To: "brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:57:28 +0000
Agreed, and we'll do the best we can. It would help a lot if we could get a few
more developers looking into support for specific XML vocabularies and output
from various tools. Right now our time is being consumed with the basic
functionality of the application and probably will be for the next month or two.
I would also point out that producing near perfect braille output from bad
input is going to be a challenge.
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[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:53 AM
To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
I think this was my point, if almost everyone uses the word plugin then it must
be supported no matter how horrible its output is, we will not be able to
change everyone to using other tools.
Also I thought from the beginning BrailleBlaster was aimed at being a user
friendly application, for users who may know how to use a word processor but no
other computer skills assumed.
Things like notepad++ is getting into developer/advanced user territory in my
mind.
Michael Whapples
On 03/05/2013 13:10, Larry Skutchan wrote:
The sad part of this discussion is that we will spend the rest of our lives
instructing users how to create documents without the Word plugin. The Word
plugin is horrible, but that is what people use.
On May 3, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Keith Creasy
<kcreasy@xxxxxxx<mailto:kcreasy@xxxxxxx>>
wrote:
One thing that is likely to help with Word is to be sure to use styles to get
the correct layout. Using tabs and spaces is causing some of the issues I
think. I am, of course, saying that without really knowing if you are already
doing that.
Keith Creasy
Software Developer
American Printing House for the Blind
KCreasy@xxxxxxx<mailto:KCreasy@xxxxxxx>
Phone: 502.895.2405
Skype: keith537
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[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
Behalf Of Brandon Roller
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:59 AM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
I agree with Chuck
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Chuck Myers
<cmyers@xxxxxxx<mailto:cmyers@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Would Notepad++ be useful? It seems to have a few xml plugins.
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on behalf of Vic Beckley
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:54 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Brandon,
Can you give me a better solution that a user like me can use to produce better
formed XML documents from Word? If there is one, I will definitely use it. I
know saving the XML directly with Word doesn't work. Users of Word are
definitely going to want to use BB to produce Braille if BB is meant for public
consumption. I am not disputing that my documents are not formatted correctly
but don't know how to get them any better without learning XML and spending a
lot of time manually typing it in.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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On Behalf Of Brandon Roller
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:34 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Michael, I completely agree.
This should be fairly easy to resolve and I will do it sometime early tomorrow,
but my point is that the way that, in my opinion, Daisy plug-in formats xml is
very poorly.
I don't think it's worth the time to defensively code against a single plug-in
that creates poorly formatted xml. If it doesn't work, the user may be better
off having to find a different solution.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Whapples
<mwhapples@xxxxxxx<mailto:mwhapples@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I would say there is a difference of valid and awful. A document may be valid
but may be awful as well (thinks of HTML from MS Word).
I feel that as much as possible whe should support valid documents, we cannot
guarantee what the tool creating a document is like.
Michael Whapples
On 02/05/2013 21:15, Brandon Roller wrote:
OK, I see. The screen reader shouldn't be the problem. I tried your original
and get the same error.
You are correct that not every document will be perfect, but at the same time a
document should be reasonably formatted and not completely terrible.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Vic Beckley
<vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brandon,
Yes, this attachment fixes the problem. But can we expect that the documents
that users want to use will be formatted exactly correctly? I doubt it.
Did you have a screen reader running when you tested? I can duplicate it with
both Window-Eyes and NVDA. Maybe this has an effect. I will try it without a
screen reader once my wife gets home and can watch.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:11 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Vic,
Try using this version instead. It is formatted better than the one created by
the daisy plug-in.
I removed the strong tags around empty spaces and some other minor changes,
such as removing empty paragraph tags.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Vic Beckley
<vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I found a lockup that is 100% for me.
Open the 06 Sample Presentations-sr.xml file.
Control tab to the Braille view.
Arrow down to the line that contains "Page 8."
Press home to move to the beginning of the line. This step may or may not be
necessary.
Begin moving right with the right arrow key. BB will freeze when you get to
the 8.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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