[brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
- From: Keith Creasy <kcreasy@xxxxxxx>
- To: "brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 12:37:11 +0000
Have you tried the DAISY Pipeline?
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[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vic Beckley
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:21 AM
To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Chuck and Brandon,
I don't see how that helps me and I don't see eventual end users coding in
Notepad++. I have RTF documents that are already created and need to translate
parts of them into Braille to emboss quickly. Please give me detailed steps how
I can do this using Notepad++.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brandon Roller
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:59 AM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
I agree with Chuck
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Chuck Myers
<cmyers@xxxxxxx<mailto:cmyers@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Would Notepad++ be useful? It seems to have a few xml plugins.
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on behalf of Vic Beckley
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:54 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Brandon,
Can you give me a better solution that a user like me can use to produce better
formed XML documents from Word? If there is one, I will definitely use it. I
know saving the XML directly with Word doesn't work. Users of Word are
definitely going to want to use BB to produce Braille if BB is meant for public
consumption. I am not disputing that my documents are not formatted correctly
but don't know how to get them any better without learning XML and spending a
lot of time manually typing it in.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:34 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Michael, I completely agree.
This should be fairly easy to resolve and I will do it sometime early tomorrow,
but my point is that the way that, in my opinion, Daisy plug-in formats xml is
very poorly.
I don't think it's worth the time to defensively code against a single plug-in
that creates poorly formatted xml. If it doesn't work, the user may be better
off having to find a different solution.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Michael Whapples
<mwhapples@xxxxxxx<mailto:mwhapples@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I would say there is a difference of valid and awful. A document may be valid
but may be awful as well (thinks of HTML from MS Word).
I feel that as much as possible whe should support valid documents, we cannot
guarantee what the tool creating a document is like.
Michael Whapples
On 02/05/2013 21:15, Brandon Roller wrote:
OK, I see. The screen reader shouldn't be the problem. I tried your original
and get the same error.
You are correct that not every document will be perfect, but at the same time a
document should be reasonably formatted and not completely terrible.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Vic Beckley
<vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brandon,
Yes, this attachment fixes the problem. But can we expect that the documents
that users want to use will be formatted exactly correctly? I doubt it.
Did you have a screen reader running when you tested? I can duplicate it with
both Window-Eyes and NVDA. Maybe this has an effect. I will try it without a
screen reader once my wife gets home and can watch.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:11 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Another reproducible lockup
Vic,
Try using this version instead. It is formatted better than the one created by
the daisy plug-in.
I removed the strong tags around empty spaces and some other minor changes,
such as removing empty paragraph tags.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Vic Beckley
<vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I found a lockup that is 100% for me.
Open the 06 Sample Presentations-sr.xml file.
Control tab to the Braille view.
Arrow down to the line that contains "Page 8."
Press home to move to the beginning of the line. This step may or may not be
necessary.
Begin moving right with the right arrow key. BB will freeze when you get to
the 8.
Best regards from Ohio,
Vic
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