Dear Pete I agree with what you are saying about hunting: I would also think that if a hunter and his client sees a big male, and he has only 1 lion on quota, he is going to take the best one he gets whether it is a pride male or not. Now, taking 1 male out of a pride can possibly cause the coalition to be vulnerable for a take-over, and this is a problem if your population is already disrupted, like in your area. The DWNP lion hunt guidelines states one may not shoot a male that is with a pride, which is interpreted that if the male is physically seen with a pride, he may not be shot. I agree that it is impossible to know if a male seen alone is a pride male or not, besides, if he is not a pride male now, he can always still become one later. I, personally, feel that hunters should know their area and their lion population well enough to recognise at least the pride males that have small cubs or that are newly settled with a pride. All concession holders are supposed to do monitoring in their areas according to the management plans. Just for interest, I received an email from Dr. Andy Loveridge at WILDCru, Oxford, and who works in Hwange National Park: We still have a lion hunting ban around Hwange- and the population is recovering nicely, after being hard hit by hunting 1999-2004. We will probably reintroduce quotas in 2009 and hopefully also a rigorous monitoring effort. Kind regards Hanlie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM