[botswanapredatorforum] Re: [botswanapredatorforum]: Report on Setata Fence

  • From: "tau" <tau@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 00:09:31 +0200

Hi Tony
Availability of info is a big need that we do not always realise. Botswana
has far more information available than most countries. I attached a word
file with the summary for lions. It gives a clear indication of the type of
data, and where we did not have data, the assumptions we made to have an
The situation that Pete is describing in Tuli is a small, vulnerable
population with a high impact from PAC and hunting. Unlike Khutse,it is not
a corner bit of a larger population. Specific measures are needed here to
ensure the survival of this population. Unfortunately a trophy hunting ban
in Botswana will not contribute to solving the cross border hunting issue in
A concern I have is that Gareth Patterson introduced lions from east Africa
into the population, mixing gene pools. There is also the risk that he
introduced with these lions some of the east African strains of FIV that did
not occur in southern Africa. Some of the problem Tuli lions have been
relocated to the Central Kalahari.....


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Hi Christiaan
Good chatting to you yesterday
To clarify my comment on the forum:
I made the statement that the satus of the present lion population has been
To clarify.
At present, there are a lot of discussions and arguments going back and
forth, but nowhere, especially in the public forum are current large mammal
populations published or presented.

Before anything can be effectively conserved, whether it be a piece of land,
a species or an ecosystem, it needs to be quantified. At the meeting to
review current legislation pertaining to the Conservation on the 17th of
December last year, I brought up this point and no one could tell the
delegates how may lions are in this country!, not even a thumb suck! The
same applied to Lechwe and Impala!!
What is the present population?, what is the distribution of these animals?
and especially what are the trends of each group or pride and the population
as a whole? 
Until we have spot on figures from a credible source or sources, I believe
that only then will we be able to prioritise our discussions and actions
pertaining to the confronation with livestock farmers and the integrity of
the species.

tau <tau@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Pete
I agree with what you are saying about hunting: I would also think that if a
hunter and his client sees a big male, and he has only 1 lion on quota, he
is going to take the best one he gets whether it is a pride male or not.
Now, taking 1 male out of a pride can possibly cause the coalition to be
vulnerable for a take-over, and this is a problem if your population is
already disrupted, like in your area. 
The DWNP lion hunt guidelines states one may not shoot a male that is with a
pride, which is interpreted that if the male is physically seen with a
pride, he may not be shot. I agree that it is impossible to know if a male
seen alone is a pride male or not, besides, if he is not a pride male now,
he can always still become one later. I, personally, feel that hunters
should know their area and their lion population well enough to recognise at
least the pride males that have small cubs or that are newly settled with a
pride. All concession holders are supposed to do monitoring in their areas
according to the management plans.
Just for interest, I received an email from Dr. Andy Loveridge at WILDCru,
Oxford, and who works in Hwange National Park: 
We still have a lion hunting ban around Hwange- and the population is
recovering nicely, after being hard hit by hunting 1999-2004. We will
probably reintroduce quotas in 2009 and hopefully also a rigorous monitoring
Kind regards

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