[botswanapredatorforum] Re: [botswanapredatorforum]: Report on Setata Fence
- From: "Kanane Setlhodi" <ksetlhodi@xxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:50:53 +0200
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Hi Christiaan
Thanks for the figures, all pretty comprehensive and quite interesting.
Are ther any figures available for 2007-2008?
Regards
Tony
tau <tau@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Tony
Availability of info is a big need that we do not always
realise. Botswana has far more information available than most
countries. I attached a word file with the summary for lions. It gives a
clear indication of the type of data, and where we did not have data,
the assumptions we made to have an estimate.
The situation that Pete is describing in Tuli is a small,
vulnerable population with a high impact from PAC and hunting. Unlike
Khutse,it is not a corner bit of a larger population. Specific measures
are needed here to ensure the survival of this population. Unfortunately
a trophy hunting ban in Botswana will not contribute to solving the
cross border hunting issue in Tuli.
A concern I have is that Gareth Patterson introduced lions from
east Africa into the population, mixing gene pools. There is also the
risk that he introduced with these lions some of the east African
strains of FIV that did not occur in southern Africa. Some of the
problem Tuli lions have been relocated to the Central Kalahari.....
Regards
Christiaan
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Report on Setata Fence
Hi Christiaan
Good chatting to you yesterday
To clarify my comment on the forum:
I made the statement that the satus of the present lion
population has been "negelected"
To clarify.
At present, there are a lot of discussions and arguments going
back and forth, but nowhere, especially in the public forum are current
large mammal populations published or presented.
Before anything can be effectively conserved, whether it be a
piece of land, a species or an ecosystem, it needs to be quantified. At
the meeting to review current legislation pertaining to the Conservation
on the 17th of December last year, I brought up this point and no one
could tell the delegates how may lions are in this country!, not even a
thumb suck! The same applied to Lechwe and Impala!!
What is the present population?, what is the distribution of
these animals? and especially what are the trends of each group or pride
and the population as a whole?
Until we have spot on figures from a credible source or sources,
I believe that only then will we be able to prioritise our discussions
and actions pertaining to the confronation with livestock farmers and
the integrity of the species.
Cheers
Tony
tau <tau@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Pete
I agree with what you are saying about hunting: I would
also think that if a hunter and his client sees a big male, and he has
only 1 lion on quota, he is going to take the best one he gets whether
it is a pride male or not. Now, taking 1 male out of a pride can
possibly cause the coalition to be vulnerable for a take-over, and this
is a problem if your population is already disrupted, like in your area.
The DWNP lion hunt guidelines states one may not shoot a
male that is with a pride, which is interpreted that if the male is
physically seen with a pride, he may not be shot. I agree that it is
impossible to know if a male seen alone is a pride male or not, besides,
if he is not a pride male now, he can always still become one later. I,
personally, feel that hunters should know their area and their lion
population well enough to recognise at least the pride males that have
small cubs or that are newly settled with a pride. All concession
holders are supposed to do monitoring in their areas according to the
management plans.
Just for interest, I received an email from Dr. Andy
Loveridge at WILDCru, Oxford, and who works in Hwange National Park:
We still have a lion hunting ban around Hwange- and the
population is recovering nicely, after being hard hit by hunting
1999-2004. We will probably reintroduce quotas in 2009 and hopefully
also a rigorous monitoring effort.
Kind regards
Hanlie
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