Great and I will.
Original message:
Let me add that not only are library books permissible for scanning, but
a large proportion, perhaps even the majority, of volunteer submissions
are scans of library books. By the way, before starting be sure to read
the volunteer manual found on the web site.
On 10/31/2015 5:31 PM, Estelnalissi wrote:
Dear Tina and her Husband,
You are so right that you can find books at the library and you're so
wrong about scans needing to be perfect. all Page breaks must be
there and at least most of the page numbers. It's helpful to clean up
the majority of junk characters. And, I think most people scan in
word. It helps to have the chapter titles as proofreaders usually
don't have access to the book you scanned. If a proofer gets stuck,
they can contact you so keep the book until it's in the collection. To
of the prolific scanners I know, while they have to pay close
attention when beginning the scan to optimize it and then at the end
to clean it up and make sure all the pages are there can then
entertain themselves as they work by listening to music, podcasts, TV,
or movies while doing the physical scan. Once you're in the groove
scanning leaves you free to do other things. Volunteers usually enjoy
one thing over the other very much. For me, scanning is more than
tedious. For Scanners the minutia of proofreading is teeth grinding work.
Scanners will jump in here and fill you in. I proofread so my
explanation is far from the last word on scanning.
Some of us can help you find books. At the library in person or on
line, I find book possibilities and Evan looks them up to see if
they're in the collection. I love looking through books so it's fun
for me. Evan enjoys finding the new books and being able to say, "It's
not here."
I already see a line forming of people to help when you're ready to
begin.
Yay!
Always with love,
Lissi
-----Original Message----- From: tina sohl
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 5:02 PM
To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Going, Going, Gone!
Both my husband and i have the impression, due correct if it's wrong, I
hope it is, that scans are only allowable through k 1 or 3,000 or
something and that they must pretty much be perfect/. We're DocuScan+
users. It meets our needs well so if it's acceptable for scanning and
they don't have to be perfect, I might like to do some scanning. Also,
is it fine to check a book out from the public library and scan it? I
don't know, so thought it best to ask. If what we have will do the job,
DocuScan+ and an HP 4500 flatbed, I might think about it.
Original message:
I don't think the problem is jiffy proofers anymore. Madeleine is on
the lookout for that. Just not too long ago she bounced back one of
my scans with a note to the proofreader that it is not possible to
proofread a 500 plus page book in twenty minutes. I am not sure that
jiffy proofer was even reading her notes because he tried it three
times before he gave up. The problem now seems to be that
proofreaders outnumber submitters tremendously. They probably think
it is easier. I started out as a proofreader because of that myself.
Then I eventually realized that I did not have the proper equipment
nor ability to do a proper job of proofreading. Notably, it is
formatting that I have to avoid. Anymore I just leave that for the
proofreader. That means that scanning and submitting is actually
easier for me and that is almost all that I do anymore. But - sheesh!
- I am only one person. I would think that the best solution is to
talk to the proofreaders and try to talk some of them into scanning.
How, though, do you talk to them? The large majority of them are not
subscribed to either Bookshare list.
On 10/30/2015 6:07 PM, Estelnalissi wrote:
Dear Booksharian Friends,
Is anyone as worried as I am about the state of the check out page?
Only 2 of the books there are available to anyone and the other 9
have holds.
The scanners we have are working hard and many of them have dedicated
their time for years scanning for people they don’t know with their
only motivation being to enrich the Bookshare library. I’m not asking
that the regulars take on the responsibility for this disaster. I’m
asking if anyone knows anyone they can inspire to Take up this
important volunteer work.
I try and help by searching out books that aren’t in the collection,
buying them as cheaply as possible and mailing them to people I know
will scan them. I also buy the books that have holds for me and make
the scanner’s life easier by mailing them the books to scan and by
being satisfied with the work they do and not demanding that they be
perfect or follow my personal rules beyond Bookshare’s requirement.
If a scanned book is perfect, and they never are, then what would be
the value of proofreaders? It takes careful scrutiny to find and
correct errors in well scanned books.
If we proofreaders can’t help by recruiting scanners or providing
them with books we can help by not racing to grab every available
book and checking it in lightning speed but by taking time during
this crisis working on no more than a couple of books at a time
leaving other books available for other careful proofreaders who are
showing like consideration.
This isn’t any one person’s fault. The scarcity of scanners seems to
be at the core of the problem, that and the fact we have to work
harder now to find books that aren’t already in our fabulous Bookshare.
A somewhat exhausted scanner friend of mine said something pretty
funny but true.
Remember the TV show Beretta. He said:
If you don’t want to do the time,
Don’t do the crime.
The Bookshare version is:
If you don’t take the time to look,
Please don’t check out the book.
I suggest that we proofreaders be generous and actually read the
books we’re promising to tidy up by the act of checking them out.
How many people are still around who remember that we used to
broadcast far and wide, that we were deranged perfectionists? The
list is so quiet now. Nobody blows their own horn but enthusiasm and
sharing accomplishments isn’t bragging. I think it’s inspiring!
Volunteers that are new here might not have heard how we shared our
journey toward improving our skills. I’ve been doing this nonstop
except for computer trouble and illness for about ten years and I’m
still reading every word of the books I proofread. When I suspect my
mind’s wandered I go back and read some pages just to be sure I
didn’t drowse and miss something. I know there are plenty of
proofreaders here who do the same, but how can they with no books to
check out?
I’d also be interested to know if anyone who is new is learning to
proofread to earn credits for their membership. If so, how can they
with no books to check out? If anyone is rushing through books to get
credits in time to renew their membership I have plenty of credits
I’d be glad to share so you can relax and take your time getting to
know how to proofread carefully. And remember this list is a source
of understanding and help. There are scanners and proofreaders just
waiting for a chance to answer questions from newcomers who will gain
skill and help newercomers in turn.
Oh, and we enjoyed welcoming new volunteers and celebrating their
accomplishments, so chime in and tell us you’ve arrived.
I didn’t mean to preach or wave my arms and stomp around on my soap
box. I was just shocked to see the check out down to 2 books. It’s
like seeing a loved one bleed to death.
Hoping to hear some ideas, thoughts, interest, concern etc from anyone.
It is what it is,
But it will become what you make it.
Always with love,
Lissi
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