Actually, you can just copy unindexed mp3 files to the flash card. Then use 1 and 3 for 2 second navigation, 4 and 6 for 10 seconds, 7 and 9 for 30 seconds, and 4+7 and 6+9 for one minute navigation. >>> dean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:34:53 PM >>> It's my understanding, and I hope APH staff will correct this if it needs it, that you have to use the transfer software in order for the time movement commands to work on un-indexed mp3 files like podcasts. Dean