I hadn't read about people criticizing his style, although I have read
criticisms of Hillary's style. But the criticisms of style are a function of
contemporary society in which superficial characteristics and appearance
appear to be more important to people than substance. The emphasis on it
came with TV and with the advertising industries, public relations, becoming
predominant in campaigning. There's nothing slick or glossy or youthful or
modern about Sanders.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman
(Redacted sender "ckrugman" for DMARC)
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 6:04 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
Sanders has to take some responsibility for marginalizing himself by this
method of presentation. At times he comes across as abrasive and smarky in a
manner that does not set well with many rank and file voters that I have
contact with. and again I am not talking about party activists or diehard
Hillary supporters. I realize that Sanders is down for his cause but he
might get more support using honey instead of vinegar.
Chuck
From: Alice Dampman Humel <mailto:alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:34 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
He's already been so incredibly and infuriatingly marginalized by the media
even as a Democrat.just imagine if he were out of that arena all by himself
as an independent.he wouldn't even be on the radar screen. They treat him
like a cute child, trotting out his naive little ideas for the grownups.
Hardly anyone ever speaks of him as the democratic candidate that will run
against the Republicrap. They have not taken him seriously.just as on the
flip side, no one took Trump seriously, and look what a monster has been
created.1930s Germany, anyone? No one took that little madman seriously,
either.and look what happened. Well, Santayana said it best, and here we
still are, running on that old hamster wheel in our big cage.
On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Because, if he had run as an inependent, no one would have heard his
ideas.
He would have gotten absolutely no coverage in the Media. There
would have
been no debates, no discussion at all, to move the party to the left
aside
from Elizabeth Warren. And Warren can't do it alone. No one whom
I've asked
here on Long Island, has a clue as to who Jill Stein is. Lately,
they at
least have heard that Sanders is running and that there's an
alternative to
Clinton. I haven't talked to one person who plans to vote for
Clinton. I
have talked to some who plan not to vote at all because they don't
know that
there's any alternative to her and I've met a few Trump supporters.
What I
fervently hope is that if Hillary wins the nomination, the movement
that
Sanders has started will continue to work for change and that he
will
continue to be part of that movement and, perhaps, work jointly with
Jill
Stein.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank
Ventura
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:24 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses
Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
Carl, yes your cynicism detecter is belting out Stairway to Heaven.
I agree
with all you have said below and you can even substitute Stein for
Sanders
in the parts about the ruling class and their political
assasinations. Even
more to the point if the Democratic party is so evil to some folks
why is
there no outcry from those very same folks for Sanders to leave the
party
and run as an independent... Hmmm... Maybe they have use for those
"party
loyalists" that they piss upon after all.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:38 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses
Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
My my my, Frank. Do I detect just a whisper of cynicism?
Nonetheless, tomorrow I will trot off to the Quilcene high school to
participate in our caucus and cast my lot with Bernie Sanders. And
when we
get past the Democratic Party freezing Sanders out, I will most
probably go
fishing during the general election.
So far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Party is the Republican
Party.
The last time I went Democrat and voted for a moderate, he turned
out to be
a corporate man in a dark skin. So I voted for Jill Stein in the
2012
election. And we did not wind up with some crazy Republican.
We wound up with an inept Democrat. But worse than that, Obama has
the
blood of thousands...maybe millions, of innocent people on his
Liberal
hands.
Which brings me back to my vote for Bernie. My vote for Bernie
Sanders is a
Fool's Mission. If he did manage to win the Brass Ring, he would
find
himself in exactly the same place Barak Obama is in.
And I don't mean the Oval Office. I mean he would find himself
facing a
solid block of Sanders haters. Bernie has the entire Ruling Class
waiting
to chew him up. Even his careful avoidance of any plan to disengage
from
our foolish wars, will not save him. Indeed, within days of
swearing to God
and All, he will be forced to stand by, while more drones go
fluttering off
to the Killing Fields, the playgrounds of Muslim children.
We can continue sacrificing our fellow men and women to the service
of this
Corporate Capitalist Empire, only to watch them cave in or be chewed
up and
spat out. It's the system that must be changed. We working class
folks
have been frozen out of real participation for many years...maybe
forever.
But in order to form a new and more inclusive government, we will
need to
figure out what to do with the one that is in our way. And sending
Bernie
into the ring is not the answer. So, while I feel I have no stake
in this
game, I'll vote for Bernie Sanders because it is my way of making a
small,
quiet protest to the two-headed monster that keeps all the marbles
in the
hands of the Ruling Class.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/24/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Chuck, while I did vote for Sanders in the primary, I am
already
regretting it. Sadly, Sanders is starting to sound more and
more like
Jill Stein; that is someone who merely wants to derail the
democratic
party and put a Republican in the oval office out of some
sort of
protest. The sad truth is that after Stein and Sanders get
their
jollies with their protest against the mainstream Democratic
party
they will go back to their comfy suburban homes and sit back
with a
glass of wine; while the rest of us working class suffer the
onslaught
of President Trump or President Cruz and all the horrors for
our
nation that it has brought. So a year from now when
President Trump's
death squads are roaming the streets killing the working
class Bernie
and Jill will be sitting back watching it all on Foxnews
while their
private security forces guard their nicely manicured lawns.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Charles
Krugman
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:00 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night
Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
Miriam, in 2008 you voted for a typical Chicago politician.
Spending
time in Chicago growing up in the sixties I found the
political
machine in power fascinating. My problem is that I just
don't like or
agree with Bernie Sanders and don't believe he is electable
nor does
he possess the image of an American president. While There
are lots of
things I didn't like about the Clinton Administration and I
believe
that Hillary was an active participant in the decisionmaking
process
and since I don't support the extreme principles of third
parties I
feel that in this election I'm voting for the lesser of the
evils. I
guess that there is still part of me that buys in to the
capitalistic
mentality.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:43 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night
Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
I live in New York which, probably, will continue to be a
blue state.
However, whatever kind of state it is, my vote, if Bernie
isn't the
Democratic candidate, will go to Jill Stein. It won't go to
Trump and
it won't go to the Clinton machine. In 2008, I thought I was
voting
for a Democratic candidate who represented the values in
which I
believed. I knew that he was a bit to the right in terms of
Afghanistan, but I tought he was a Liberal Democrat who
believed in
the rule of law, in open government. I discovered that I'd
voted for
an opportunist, an elitist, for a President who would ignore
the
constitution whenever it got in the way of his appeasement
of the
security state, of a President who was ready to cut social
security
benefits, and who made unacceptable bargains with
Republicans before
it was necessary to do so. And he is the more Ppogressive
of the two.
If I vote for Hillary, I'd be voting for someone whose Neo
Liberal
policies are more warlike, who is even more comfortable with
the
elites, who will increase the US appeasement of Israel,
whose concern
about African Americans is pure fiction, and who uses her
femaleness
as a means to gain support from femininsts. I can't, in good
consciience do it. No, I don't want Trump as President. But
the fact
that Clinton uses whatever words , she thinks, will get
votes from the
Democratic base, doesn't reassure me. I listened to Robert
Sheer's
discussion with Thomas Frank this morning on an audio clip
on
Truthdig. Are you aware that Bill Clinton was about to
privatize
social security? What stopped him? The Monica Lewinsky
scandal. These
Democrats, aside from social issues, LGBT rights, abortion rights,
are not
anymore the party of the working people.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Charles
Krugman (Redacted sender "ckrugman" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:07 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night
Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
whether we might like it or not any vote that doesn't go to
Hillary
including those on principle to minor candidates could very
strongly
result in the trump presidency that no thinking person
wants.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:21 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night
Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
Well, voting for Clinton means voting for more of what we
have now
which means more wealth going to the 1%, more power for
trans national
corporations, larger even less regulated banks, and an
escalation of war.
Voting for trump may very well mean and out and out war at
home on
minorities along with what I outlined above. One can't tell
what Trump
will actdually do in terms of international policy because
his
statements are contradictory. I caught a short interview
with the
author of a biography of Trump on NPR last night. Briefly,
he said
Trump never reads books, does not focus on one subject when
you talk
with him, but thinks just the way he sounds in his speeches,
and his
basically and ego maniac, although he didn't use that term.
I can't
visualize myself voting for Hillary because I can't think of
any
positives in her favor. But certainly, the prospect of a
Trump Presidency
is unthinkable.
Miriam
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:27 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night
Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful
Supporters
As the World turns...so turn firm resolves.
Of course it's early yet, but winning the primary appears to
be
slipping from the old, experienced hands of Senator Bernie
Sanders.
To date I have held to my resolve to vote for Sanders, and
then if he
does not win the Party nomination, to vote for Jill Stein,
of the Green
Party.
But that was before the Republicans trotted out their
Party's Best,
the Clown Crew.
And, as we all guffawed and chuckled over their noisy
sideshow, an
awful thing happened. One of the clowns began to look like
something
out of the 1940's. A full blown Fascist!
Ranting and raving and telling one big lie after another,
Donald Trump
rose like the Phoenix, out of the ashes of the Third Reich.
Despite the Republican Party's denial that he has the
popular Party
support, Trump stomps about, stirring up the rank and file,
and
winning in state after state.
We now are upon the brink of National disaster. One
direction leads
to a Fascist State, and the other leads to a Corporate
State. And we
have only ourselves to blame.
If the choice comes down to Clinton or Trump, or even
Clinton or Cruz,
we will need to decide if we hold to our original plan to
support
Stein, or to "throw away" our vote in an effort to block the
takeover
of our emerging Corporate State by the Fascist State. What
a choice!
Just a fair warning that I am not ruling out a vote for
Hillary Clinton.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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