I hear you. I really do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
I'm done with this being forced to choose to vote for someone who is not
going to act in my best interests. I feel as if I've been totally
manipulated by the elites. I don't know why I voted for Obama in 2012 when
it was already clear to me that he was acting on behalf of his donors.
Everyone will vote for an elitist war hawk because they're terrified of a
Fascist. Maybe that was the DNC's plan all the time.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:40 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
Yup. You can take that right fork in the road or you can take that right
fork in the road. See, in America you do have choices!
You can choose death by slow poison or by a bullet.
Now, don't you feall better?
Actually though Carl, in all seriousness if I have a choice between Hilliary
and Trump I must say I'm going to have to bite the bullet and vote Hilliary
which will be of course a vote against Trump.
It will make me sick, but I'll do it just so we have some more time to tread
water.
I mean I really would hate to vote for a Democratic neo-con, but Trump is so
out there....Well you get my drifting here....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard
Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
So, if that's the case then things are even worse than first imagined.choice!
That means when we come to the intersection and have to choose which
road to take, that means that all roads turn to the right.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/16, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
BTW, while I agree with you a corporate state, or corporativism, is
fascism.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses
Hard Questions For Sanders Campaign and His Youthful Supporters
As the World turns...so turn firm resolves.
Of course it's early yet, but winning the primary appears to be
slipping from the old, experienced hands of Senator Bernie Sanders.
To date I have held to my resolve to vote for Sanders, and then if
he does not win the Party nomination, to vote for Jill Stein, of the
Green Party. But that was before the Republicans trotted out their
Party's Best, the Clown Crew.
And, as we all guffawed and chuckled over their noisy sideshow, an
awful thing happened. One of the clowns began to look like
something out of the 1940's. A full blown Fascist!
Ranting and raving and telling one big lie after another, Donald
Trump rose like the Phoenix, out of the ashes of the Third Reich.
Despite the Republican Party's denial that he has the popular Party
support, Trump stomps about, stirring up the rank and file, and
winning in state after state.
We now are upon the brink of National disaster. One direction leads
to a Fascist State, and the other leads to a Corporate State. And
we have only ourselves to blame.
If the choice comes down to Clinton or Trump, or even Clinton or
Cruz, we will need to decide if we hold to our original plan to
support Stein, or to "throw away" our vote in an effort to block the
takeover of our emerging Corporate State by the Fascist State. What a
Just a fair warning that I am not ruling out a vote for Hillary Clinton.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders
Campaign and His Youthful Supporters By Steven Rosenfeld [1] /
AlterNet [2] March 15, 2016 Bernie Sanders' historic and
expectation-surpassing bid for the Democratic presidential
nomination ran into hard reality in several pivotal primary
contests Tuesday, where he could not break Hillary Clinton's hold
on voters in several critical battleground states needed to win in
the fall-notably Ohio and Florida.
While Sanders supporters will point to his narrow victory in
Missouri, and overwhelming support among independents who voted in
the Democratic primary, Clinton's victories in those fall
battleground states-as well as South Carolina and Illinois-means
that it is virtually impossible for Sanders to win the delegates
needed [3] for the party's nomination. That fact undoubtedly will
take days to seep into his remarkable grassroots campaign, where it
remains to be seen how Sanders will continue his quest or align
himself with Clinton-who he's criticized for some stances but
praised as
a
person of integrity.
The backdrop for that as-yet unknown calculation is the deeply
disconcerting continuing rise of Donald Trump toward the Republican
nomination, who has continued to amass a delegate lead-winning in
Florida, Illinois, South Carolina and Missouri. Although Ohio Gov.
John Kasich beat Trump in his home state, his first victory on
2016, his chances-based on the GOP's delegate nomination math-are
an even longer shot than Sanders catching up with Clinton and
wresting the nomination. Under the current Republican National
Committee rules, a candidate needs to have won at least eight
states to have their name placed in nomination for the presidency.
That renders Kasich's pledge to supporters that he will win this
fall as little more than campaign magical thinking.
"Only one campaign has beaten Donald Trump over and over and over
again,"
said Sen. Ted Cruz, also striking a defiant tone despite losing in
every state Tuesday, including by several thousand votes in
Missouri to Trump.
Cruz recited his pledge to recast the federal government and
judiciary in the most ideological right-wing mold possible, go
after enemies abroad, and said he was the only alternative to
Trump. "Starting tomorrow morning, there is a clear choice," Cruz
said, posturing before supporters in Texas.
Trump's victory in Florida prompted Marco Rubio to suspend his
campaign, telling his backers that it was not in "God's plans" for
him to win "in
2016
or maybe ever." He also implored Republicans to reject the hateful
politics pedaled by Trump, saying, "I ask the American people, 'Do
not give into the fear. Do not give into the frustration.'"
Tuesday's top two storylines-Trump's rise and Clinton all-but
ending Sanders' chances of winning sufficient delegates to be the
nominee-came together in her remarks, where she underscored that
she had won fair and square but tried to reach out to Sanders'
team. "Our campaign has won more votes than any other
campaign-Democrat or Republican," began Clinton, in remarks from
Palm Beach, "and I want to congratulate Sen. Sanders for the
vigorous campaign he has waged." Clinton said she needed the
support of Democrats across the country, and then focused on Trump
but cited many issues raised by Sanders.
"Tonight, it is clearer than ever that this may be one of the most
consequential campaigns of our lifetimes," she said. "The next
president will walk into the oval office next year in January, and
sit down at that desk, and start making decisions that will affect
the lives and the livelihoods of everyone in this country and
indeed, everyone on this planet."
Clinton said the next president has three major challenges: making
positive differences in people's lives, keeping America safe and
bringing the country together. The first example she gave was a
direct nod to Sanders and his popularity with voters under age 35.
"Young people across America struggling under the weight of student
debt find it difficult to imagine the futures they want," she said,
"and they deserve a president who will relieve them of that burden
and help future generations go to college without borrowing a
dime." Clinton continued with another issue that he raised first.
"And you know grandparents who worry about retirement deserve a
president who will protect and then expand Social Security for
those who need it most-not cut or privatize it."
Her to-do list continued: affordable child care; paid family leave;
equal pay for equal work for women; good jobs with rising
incomes-in construction, manufacturing, small business and
renewable energy; standing up for workers and the middle class-"not
China, not Wall Street and not overpaid corporate executives." She
said that she knows how to make these promises become realities,
and then slammed Trump, especially his anti-immigrant and
anti-Muslim stances, and his embrace of torture and threatening
adversaries.
"That doesn't make him strong, it makes him wrong," she said.
"We have to take on all forms of inequality and discrimination,"
Clinton
said. "Together, we have to defend all of our rights-civil rights
and voting rights; worker's rights and women's rights; LGBT rights
and rights for people with disabilities. And that starts with
standing with President Obama when he nominates a justice to the
Supreme Court."
Whether or not Sanders' supporters will buy Clinton's words and see
how much he has sharpened her embrace and articulation of a
progressive agenda remains to be seen. There is no doubt that the
short-term messaging from the Sanders' campaign will be that they
will keep plowing ahead and fight for delegates in the remaining
states. As of Tuesday, half the states have voted. The math has
Clinton with 300 more [3] pledged delegates than Sanders. That is
not counting super-delegates, the elected officers and party
officials, where she has 427 to his 26 [3]. Sanders reportedly
spent
$12 million in ads for Tuesday's contests, compared to Clinton's $7
million.
Many of Sanders' supporters have not been involved in political
campaigns before, and will have a hard time immediately processing
Tuesday's results.
But there are some big unanswered questions about what is next for
them in 2016-and what Clinton will also do to bring these two
campaigns together.
Sanders has taken positions that appeal to the disaffected voters
who have been drawn in by Trump and Cruz. One can only hope that
the Democratic Party knows it will need the millions of young
economic progressives to turn out in November. And they may not
unless they have a candidate they can believe in.
Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet,
including America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights,
and campaigns and elections. He is the author of "Count My Vote: A
Citizen's Guide to Voting"
(AlterNet Books, 2008).
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Campaign and His Youthful Supporters By Steven Rosenfeld [1] /
AlterNet [2] March 15, 2016 Bernie Sanders' historic and
expectation-surpassing bid for the Democratic presidential
nomination ran into hard reality in several pivotal primary
contests Tuesday, where he could not break Hillary Clinton's hold
on voters in several critical battleground states needed to win in
the fall-notably Ohio and Florida.
While Sanders supporters will point to his narrow victory in
Missouri, and overwhelming support among independents who voted in
the Democratic primary, Clinton's victories in those fall
battleground states-as well as South Carolina and Illinois-means
that it is virtually impossible for Sanders to win the delegates
needed [3] for the party's nomination. That fact undoubtedly will
take days to seep into his remarkable grassroots campaign, where it
remains to be seen how Sanders will continue his quest or align
himself with Clinton-who he's criticized for some stances but
praised as
a
person of integrity.
The backdrop for that as-yet unknown calculation is the deeply
disconcerting continuing rise of Donald Trump toward the Republican
nomination, who has continued to amass a delegate lead-winning in
Florida, Illinois, South Carolina and Missouri. Although Ohio Gov.
John Kasich beat Trump in his home state, his first victory on
2016, his chances-based on the GOP's delegate nomination math-are
an even longer shot than Sanders catching up with Clinton and
wresting the nomination. Under the current Republican National
Committee rules, a candidate needs to have won at least eight
states to have their name placed in nomination for the presidency.
That renders Kasich's pledge to supporters that he will win this
fall as little more than campaign magical thinking.
"Only one campaign has beaten Donald Trump over and over and over
again,"
said Sen. Ted Cruz, also striking a defiant tone despite losing in
every state Tuesday, including by several thousand votes in
Missouri to Trump.
Cruz recited his pledge to recast the federal government and
judiciary in the most ideological right-wing mold possible, go
after enemies abroad, and said he was the only alternative to
Trump. "Starting tomorrow morning, there is a clear choice," Cruz
said, posturing before supporters in Texas.
Trump's victory in Florida prompted Marco Rubio to suspend his
campaign, telling his backers that it was not in "God's plans" for
him to win "in
2016
or maybe ever." He also implored Republicans to reject the hateful
politics pedaled by Trump, saying, "I ask the American people, 'Do
not give into the fear. Do not give into the frustration.'"
Tuesday's top two storylines-Trump's rise and Clinton all-but
ending Sanders' chances of winning sufficient delegates to be the
nominee-came together in her remarks, where she underscored that
she had won fair and square but tried to reach out to Sanders'
team. "Our campaign has won more votes than any other
campaign-Democrat or Republican," began Clinton, in remarks from
Palm Beach, "and I want to congratulate Sen. Sanders for the
vigorous campaign he has waged." Clinton said she needed the
support of Democrats across the country, and then focused on Trump
but cited many issues raised by Sanders.
"Tonight, it is clearer than ever that this may be one of the most
consequential campaigns of our lifetimes," she said. "The next
president will walk into the oval office next year in January, and
sit down at that desk, and start making decisions that will affect
the lives and the livelihoods of everyone in this country and
indeed, everyone on this planet."
Clinton said the next president has three major challenges: making
positive differences in people's lives, keeping America safe and
bringing the country together. The first example she gave was a
direct nod to Sanders and his popularity with voters under age 35.
"Young people across America struggling under the weight of student
debt find it difficult to imagine the futures they want," she said,
"and they deserve a president who will relieve them of that burden
and help future generations go to college without borrowing a
dime." Clinton continued with another issue that he raised first.
"And you know grandparents who worry about retirement deserve a
president who will protect and then expand Social Security for
those who need it most-not cut or privatize it."
Her to-do list continued: affordable child care; paid family leave;
equal pay for equal work for women; good jobs with rising
incomes-in construction, manufacturing, small business and
renewable energy; standing up for workers and the middle class-"not
China, not Wall Street and not overpaid corporate executives." She
said that she knows how to make these promises become realities,
and then slammed Trump, especially his anti-immigrant and
anti-Muslim stances, and his embrace of torture and threatening
adversaries.
"That doesn't make him strong, it makes him wrong," she said.
"We have to take on all forms of inequality and discrimination,"
Clinton
said. "Together, we have to defend all of our rights-civil rights
and voting rights; worker's rights and women's rights; LGBT rights
and rights for people with disabilities. And that starts with
standing with President Obama when he nominates a justice to the
Supreme Court."
Whether or not Sanders' supporters will buy Clinton's words and see
how much he has sharpened her embrace and articulation of a
progressive agenda remains to be seen. There is no doubt that the
short-term messaging from the Sanders' campaign will be that they
will keep plowing ahead and fight for delegates in the remaining
states. As of Tuesday, half the states have voted. The math has
Clinton with 300 more [3] pledged delegates than Sanders. That is
not counting super-delegates, the elected officers and party
officials, where she has 427 to his 26 [3]. Sanders reportedly
spent
$12 million in ads for Tuesday's contests, compared to Clinton's $7
million.
Many of Sanders' supporters have not been involved in political
campaigns before, and will have a hard time immediately processing
Tuesday's results.
But there are some big unanswered questions about what is next for
them in 2016-and what Clinton will also do to bring these two
campaigns together.
Sanders has taken positions that appeal to the disaffected voters
who have been drawn in by Trump and Cruz. One can only hope that
the Democratic Party knows it will need the millions of young
economic progressives to turn out in November. And they may not
unless they have a candidate they can believe in.
Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet,
including America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights,
and campaigns and elections. He is the author of "Count My Vote: A
Citizen's Guide to Voting"
(AlterNet Books, 2008).
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