The WV primary is on May 10. I don't recall it if it has ever been held
before the Republicrat candidates had already been chosen. It is
interesting to note, though, that four years ago Keith Judd got
something like 48 percent of the vote against Obama while running from a
prison cell in Texas and this year the polls show Sanders leading
Clinton by 29 percentage points. Keith Jud is now out of prison and is
on the ballot again and there is at least one other name on the Democrat
ballot. I forget his name, but he is a West Virginia lawyer who, as far
as I can tell, is just like Judd in that he had a couple of thousand
dollars lying around and just wanted his name on the ballot without
taking positions on anything.
On 3/25/2016 9:05 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Interesting that the WV primary is in early May. Wonder if the numbers will change by then.
Frank
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Yup, so don’t believe all the hype that seeks to obscure what is really going on...
On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
The polls are showing that Bernie beats Trump by a bigger margin
than Hillary does. By the way, the polls show that Bernie beats
Hillary in West Virginia by twenty-nine percentage points.
On 3/24/2016 10:19 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Chuck,
I don't understand what it is that you don't like about Bernie
Sanders.
Perhaps it's his style. Perhaps it's that he is blunt and
unassuming. What
he is actually talking about is FDR New Deal politics. He's
talking about
social democracy, not actual socialism. And in many ways, he
still buys
into the mythology about Israel and the American
exceptionalism syndrome.
But he's honest. And he does really care about poor and
working families.
His ideas haven't changed throughout his life. He was working
in the civil
rights movement back in the sixties. He's not wealthy and he
doesn't run in
the same circles as the Clintons and the other politicians do.
In 2008, I
voted for someone who was somewhat to the right of where I
would have liked
a candidate to be, but who said a lot of things with which I
agreed. I
didn't know that he would go back on so much of what he said,
that he would
compromise so much, nor anything about Chicago politics and
his involvement
with it. I did like his personality. I did want to see a black
man elected
to the Presidency. This time, from everything I've read and
observed, I'm
not sure that Hillary can win against Trump, even if I thought
she were a
good candiddate. Lots of people have told me that they just
won't vote this
time if those are their two alternatives. The Democratic
establishment has
promoted this myth that Hillary is electable. But people
despise her, aside
from her loyal advocates. Some people actually know her record
and don't
like her for that reason. But other people just don't like her
as a person.
They never did, not back when she was First Lady. If the Party
Esatblishment would have given Sanders a fair chance, he may
very well win
the nomination and many polls show that he does a lot better
against Trump
than Hillary.
Miriam
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Miriam, in 2008 you voted for a typical Chicago politician.
Spending time in
Chicago growing up in the sixties I found the political
machine in power
fascinating. My problem is that I just don't like or agree
with Bernie
Sanders and don't believe he is electable nor does he possess
the image of
an American president. While There are lots of things I didn't
like about
the Clinton Administration and I believe that Hillary was an
active
participant in the decisionmaking process and since I don't
support the
extreme principles of third parties I feel that in this
election I'm voting
for the lesser of the evils. I guess that there is still part
of me that
buys in to the capitalistic mentality.
Chuck
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I live in New York which, probably, will continue to be a blue
state.
However, whatever kind of state it is, my vote, if Bernie
isn't the
Democratic candidate, will go to Jill Stein. It won't go to
Trump and it
won't go to the Clinton machine. In 2008, I thought I was
voting for a
Democratic candidate who represented the values in which I
believed. I knew
that he was a bit to the right in terms of Afghanistan, but I
tought he was
a Liberal Democrat who believed in the rule of law, in open
government. I
discovered that I'd voted for an opportunist, an elitist, for
a President
who would ignore the constitution whenever it got in the way
of his
appeasement of the security state, of a President who was
ready to cut
social security benefits, and who made unacceptable bargains with
Republicans before it was necessary to do so. And he is the more
Ppogressive of the two. If I vote for Hillary, I'd be voting
for someone
whose Neo Liberal policies are more warlike, who is even more
comfortable
with the elites, who will increase the US appeasement of
Israel, whose
concern about African Americans is pure fiction, and who uses
her femaleness
as a means to gain support from femininsts. I can't, in good
consciience do
it. No, I don't want Trump as President. But the fact that
Clinton uses
whatever words , she thinks, will get votes from the
Democratic base,
doesn't reassure me. I listened to Robert Sheer's discussion
with Thomas
Frank this morning on an audio clip on Truthdig. Are you aware
that Bill
Clinton was about to privatize social security? What stopped
him? The Monica
Lewinsky scandal. These Democrats, aside from social issues,
LGBT rights,
abortion rights, are not anymore the party of the working people.
Miriam
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whether we might like it or not any vote that doesn't go to
Hillary
including those on principle to minor candidates could very
strongly result
in the trump presidency that no thinking person wants.
Chuck
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Well, voting for Clinton means voting for more of what we have
now which
means more wealth going to the 1%, more power for trans national
corporations, larger even less regulated banks, and an
escalation of war.
Voting for trump may very well mean and out and out war at home on
minorities along with what I outlined above. One can't tell
what Trump will
actdually do in terms of international policy because his
statements are
contradictory. I caught a short interview with the author of a
biography of
Trump on NPR last night. Briefly, he said Trump never reads
books, does not
focus on one subject when you talk with him, but thinks just
the way he
sounds in his speeches, and his basically and ego maniac,
although he didn't
use that term. I can't visualize myself voting for Hillary
because I can't
think of any positives in her favor. But certainly, the
prospect of a Trump
Presidency is unthinkable.
Miriam
Miriam
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As the World turns...so turn firm resolves.
Of course it's early yet, but winning the primary appears to
be slipping
from the old, experienced hands of Senator Bernie Sanders.
To date I have held to my resolve to vote for Sanders, and
then if he does
not win the Party nomination, to vote for Jill Stein, of the
Green Party.
But that was before the Republicans trotted out their Party's
Best, the
Clown Crew.
And, as we all guffawed and chuckled over their noisy
sideshow, an awful
thing happened. One of the clowns began to look like
something out of the
1940's. A full blown Fascist!
Ranting and raving and telling one big lie after another,
Donald Trump rose
like the Phoenix, out of the ashes of the Third Reich.
Despite the Republican Party's denial that he has the popular
Party support,
Trump stomps about, stirring up the rank and file, and winning
in state
after state.
We now are upon the brink of National disaster. One direction
leads to a
Fascist State, and the other leads to a Corporate State. And
we have only
ourselves to blame.
If the choice comes down to Clinton or Trump, or even Clinton
or Cruz, we
will need to decide if we hold to our original plan to support
Stein, or to
"throw away" our vote in an effort to block the takeover of
our emerging
Corporate State by the Fascist State. What a choice!
Just a fair warning that I am not ruling out a vote for
Hillary Clinton.
Carl Jarvis
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Trump and
Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders
Campaign and His
Youthful Supporters ________________________________________
Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders
Campaign and His Youthful Supporters By Steven Rosenfeld [1] /
AlterNet [2] March 15, 2016 Bernie Sanders' historic and
expectation-surpassing bid for the Democratic presidential
nomination
ran into hard reality in several pivotal primary contests
Tuesday,
where he could not break Hillary Clinton's hold on voters
in several
critical battleground states needed to win in the
fall-notably Ohio
and Florida.
While Sanders supporters will point to his narrow victory
in Missouri,
and overwhelming support among independents who voted in the
Democratic primary, Clinton's victories in those fall
battleground
states-as well as South Carolina and Illinois-means that it is
virtually impossible for Sanders to win the delegates
needed [3] for
the party's nomination. That fact undoubtedly will take
days to seep
into his remarkable grassroots campaign, where it remains
to be seen
how Sanders will continue his quest or align himself with
Clinton-who
he's criticized for some stances but praised as a person
of integrity.
The backdrop for that as-yet unknown calculation is the deeply
disconcerting continuing rise of Donald Trump toward the
Republican
nomination, who has continued to amass a delegate
lead-winning in
Florida, Illinois, South Carolina and Missouri. Although
Ohio Gov.
John Kasich beat Trump in his home state, his first
victory on 2016,
his chances-based on the GOP's delegate nomination
math-are an even
longer shot than Sanders catching up with Clinton and
wresting the
nomination. Under the current Republican National
Committee rules, a
candidate needs to have won at least eight states to have
their name
placed in nomination for the presidency. That renders
Kasich's pledge
to supporters that he will win this fall as little more
than campaign
magical thinking.
"Only one campaign has beaten Donald Trump over and over
and over again,"
said Sen. Ted Cruz, also striking a defiant tone despite
losing in
every state Tuesday, including by several thousand votes
in Missouri
to
Trump.
Cruz recited his pledge to recast the federal government
and judiciary
in the most ideological right-wing mold possible, go after
enemies
abroad, and said he was the only alternative to Trump.
"Starting
tomorrow morning, there is a clear choice," Cruz said,
posturing
before supporters in Texas.
Trump's victory in Florida prompted Marco Rubio to suspend his
campaign, telling his backers that it was not in "God's
plans" for him
to win "in
2016
or maybe ever." He also implored Republicans to reject the
hateful
politics pedaled by Trump, saying, "I ask the American
people, 'Do not
give into the fear. Do not give into the frustration.'"
Tuesday's top two storylines-Trump's rise and Clinton
all-but ending
Sanders' chances of winning sufficient delegates to be the
nominee-came together in her remarks, where she
underscored that she
had won fair and square but tried to reach out to Sanders'
team. "Our
campaign has won more votes than any other
campaign-Democrat or
Republican," began Clinton, in remarks from Palm Beach,
"and I want to
congratulate Sen. Sanders for the vigorous campaign he has
waged."
Clinton said she needed the support of Democrats across
the country,
and then focused on Trump but cited many issues raised by
Sanders.
"Tonight, it is clearer than ever that this may be one of
the most
consequential campaigns of our lifetimes," she said. "The next
president will walk into the oval office next year in
January, and sit
down at that desk, and start making decisions that will
affect the
lives and the livelihoods of everyone in this country and
indeed,
everyone on this planet."
Clinton said the next president has three major
challenges: making
positive differences in people's lives, keeping America
safe and
bringing the country together. The first example she gave
was a direct
nod to Sanders and his popularity with voters under age
35. "Young
people across America struggling under the weight of
student debt find
it difficult to imagine the futures they want," she said,
"and they
deserve a president who will relieve them of that burden
and help
future generations go to college without borrowing a
dime." Clinton
continued with another issue that he raised first. "And
you know
grandparents who worry about retirement deserve a
president who will
protect and then expand Social Security for those who need
it most-not
cut or privatize it."
Her to-do list continued: affordable child care; paid
family leave;
equal pay for equal work for women; good jobs with rising
incomes-in
construction, manufacturing, small business and renewable
energy;
standing up for workers and the middle class-"not China,
not Wall
Street and not overpaid corporate executives." She said
that she knows
how to make these promises become realities, and then
slammed Trump,
especially his anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim stances, and
his embrace
of torture and threatening adversaries.
"That doesn't make him strong, it makes him wrong," she said.
"We have to take on all forms of inequality and
discrimination,"
Clinton said. "Together, we have to defend all of our
rights-civil
rights and voting rights; worker's rights and women's
rights; LGBT
rights and rights for people with disabilities. And that
starts with
standing with President Obama when he nominates a justice
to the
Supreme Court."
Whether or not Sanders' supporters will buy Clinton's
words and see
how much he has sharpened her embrace and articulation of a
progressive agenda remains to be seen. There is no doubt
that the
short-term messaging from the Sanders' campaign will be
that they will
keep plowing ahead and fight for delegates in the
remaining states. As
of Tuesday, half the states have voted. The math has
Clinton with 300
more [3] pledged delegates than Sanders. That is not counting
super-delegates, the elected officers and party officials,
where she
has 427 to his 26 [3]. Sanders reportedly spent
$12 million in ads for Tuesday's contests, compared to
Clinton's $7
million.
Many of Sanders' supporters have not been involved in
political
campaigns before, and will have a hard time immediately
processing
Tuesday's results.
But there are some big unanswered questions about what is
next for
them in 2016-and what Clinton will also do to bring these two
campaigns
together.
Sanders has taken positions that appeal to the disaffected
voters who
have been drawn in by Trump and Cruz. One can only hope
that the
Democratic Party knows it will need the millions of young
economic
progressives to turn out in November. And they may not
unless they
have a candidate they can believe in.
Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for
AlterNet,
including America's retirement crisis, democracy and
voting rights,
and campaigns and elections. He is the author of "Count My
Vote: A
Citizen's Guide to Voting"
(AlterNet Books, 2008).
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Trump and Clinton's Big Night Poses Hard Questions For Sanders
Campaign and His Youthful Supporters By Steven Rosenfeld [1] /
AlterNet [2] March 15, 2016 Bernie Sanders' historic and
expectation-surpassing bid for the Democratic presidential
nomination
ran into hard reality in several pivotal primary contests
Tuesday,
where he could not break Hillary Clinton's hold on voters
in several
critical battleground states needed to win in the
fall-notably Ohio
and Florida.
While Sanders supporters will point to his narrow victory
in Missouri,
and overwhelming support among independents who voted in the
Democratic primary, Clinton's victories in those fall
battleground
states-as well as South Carolina and Illinois-means that it is
virtually impossible for Sanders to win the delegates
needed [3] for
the party's nomination. That fact undoubtedly will take
days to seep
into his remarkable grassroots campaign, where it remains
to be seen
how Sanders will continue his quest or align himself with
Clinton-who
he's criticized for some stances but praised as a person
of integrity.
The backdrop for that as-yet unknown calculation is the deeply
disconcerting continuing rise of Donald Trump toward the
Republican
nomination, who has continued to amass a delegate
lead-winning in
Florida, Illinois, South Carolina and Missouri. Although
Ohio Gov.
John Kasich beat Trump in his home state, his first
victory on 2016,
his chances-based on the GOP's delegate nomination
math-are an even
longer shot than Sanders catching up with Clinton and
wresting the
nomination. Under the current Republican National
Committee rules, a
candidate needs to have won at least eight states to have
their name
placed in nomination for the presidency. That renders
Kasich's pledge
to supporters that he will win this fall as little more
than campaign
magical thinking.
"Only one campaign has beaten Donald Trump over and over
and over again,"
said Sen. Ted Cruz, also striking a defiant tone despite
losing in
every state Tuesday, including by several thousand votes
in Missouri
to
Trump.
Cruz recited his pledge to recast the federal government
and judiciary
in the most ideological right-wing mold possible, go after
enemies
abroad, and said he was the only alternative to Trump.
"Starting
tomorrow morning, there is a clear choice," Cruz said,
posturing
before supporters in Texas.
Trump's victory in Florida prompted Marco Rubio to suspend his
campaign, telling his backers that it was not in "God's
plans" for him
to win "in
2016
or maybe ever." He also implored Republicans to reject the
hateful
politics pedaled by Trump, saying, "I ask the American
people, 'Do not
give into the fear. Do not give into the frustration.'"
Tuesday's top two storylines-Trump's rise and Clinton
all-but ending
Sanders' chances of winning sufficient delegates to be the
nominee-came together in her remarks, where she
underscored that she
had won fair and square but tried to reach out to Sanders'
team. "Our
campaign has won more votes than any other
campaign-Democrat or
Republican," began Clinton, in remarks from Palm Beach,
"and I want to
congratulate Sen. Sanders for the vigorous campaign he has
waged."
Clinton said she needed the support of Democrats across
the country,
and then focused on Trump but cited many issues raised by
Sanders.
"Tonight, it is clearer than ever that this may be one of
the most
consequential campaigns of our lifetimes," she said. "The next
president will walk into the oval office next year in
January, and sit
down at that desk, and start making decisions that will
affect the
lives and the livelihoods of everyone in this country and
indeed,
everyone on this planet."
Clinton said the next president has three major
challenges: making
positive differences in people's lives, keeping America
safe and
bringing the country together. The first example she gave
was a direct
nod to Sanders and his popularity with voters under age
35. "Young
people across America struggling under the weight of
student debt find
it difficult to imagine the futures they want," she said,
"and they
deserve a president who will relieve them of that burden
and help
future generations go to college without borrowing a
dime." Clinton
continued with another issue that he raised first. "And
you know
grandparents who worry about retirement deserve a
president who will
protect and then expand Social Security for those who need
it most-not
cut or privatize it."
Her to-do list continued: affordable child care; paid
family leave;
equal pay for equal work for women; good jobs with rising
incomes-in
construction, manufacturing, small business and renewable
energy;
standing up for workers and the middle class-"not China,
not Wall
Street and not overpaid corporate executives." She said
that she knows
how to make these promises become realities, and then
slammed Trump,
especially his anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim stances, and
his embrace
of torture and threatening adversaries.
"That doesn't make him strong, it makes him wrong," she said.
"We have to take on all forms of inequality and
discrimination,"
Clinton said. "Together, we have to defend all of our
rights-civil
rights and voting rights; worker's rights and women's
rights; LGBT
rights and rights for people with disabilities. And that
starts with
standing with President Obama when he nominates a justice
to the
Supreme Court."
Whether or not Sanders' supporters will buy Clinton's
words and see
how much he has sharpened her embrace and articulation of a
progressive agenda remains to be seen. There is no doubt
that the
short-term messaging from the Sanders' campaign will be
that they will
keep plowing ahead and fight for delegates in the
remaining states. As
of Tuesday, half the states have voted. The math has
Clinton with 300
more [3] pledged delegates than Sanders. That is not counting
super-delegates, the elected officers and party officials,
where she
has 427 to his 26 [3]. Sanders reportedly spent
$12 million in ads for Tuesday's contests, compared to
Clinton's $7
million.
Many of Sanders' supporters have not been involved in
political
campaigns before, and will have a hard time immediately
processing
Tuesday's results.
But there are some big unanswered questions about what is
next for
them in 2016-and what Clinton will also do to bring these two
campaigns
together.
Sanders has taken positions that appeal to the disaffected
voters who
have been drawn in by Trump and Cruz. One can only hope
that the
Democratic Party knows it will need the millions of young
economic
progressives to turn out in November. And they may not
unless they
have a candidate they can believe in.
Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for
AlterNet,
including America's retirement crisis, democracy and
voting rights,
and campaigns and elections. He is the author of "Count My
Vote: A
Citizen's Guide to Voting"
(AlterNet Books, 2008).
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