I do believe Albright said that, I never denied that she said it. Even she
admits it, and she says she did not mean to say it that way, that she misspoke.
Of course, she said the same thing when she was besieged by critical tweets and
Facebook posts when she tried to shame any woman who was supporting Bernie. The
excuse is wearing a little think, particularly for someone as eloquent and
articulate as she is. But it does happen to all of us, we either misspeak
and/or are misunderstood or misinterpreted. I want to believe her, because I
know how upset and unhappy I am when someone calls me out on something, I
explain, I did not mean it that way, I meant the following, and I get the
response, “I’m not buying it.”
Very disappointing, and her speech the other night was also not much to my
liking.
I have read all her books, and I had a great deal of respect for her intellect,
her heart, her sense of history, her openness, her experiences, her
relationships with the people around her, but her last two forays into the
limelight have made me temper my feelings about her somewhat.
Obama’s 2008 speech did not convince me. I remained skeptical. It took a lot
longer than that for me to reluctantly believe him, almost trust him. And, I
agree, he was not true to his word in too many ways.
So you stack up the good against the bad, and where do we end up?
I guess at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter whether the person “in
charge” who causes your pain, your tsurres, is well-meaning, a nice guy, has a
good heart, is a decent man, like Obama or an evil bastard like Trump…but
somehow, it does matter
On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I chose not to listen last night. I refuse to listen to deceit and
propaganda, which is what I believe these conventions are. I'll here some of
it on Democracy Now, today. But I have to say that I no longer believe what
Obama says. During that discussion between Robert Sheer and Thomas Frank,
Frank described a 2008 speech that Obama gave. Sheer and I both remember
that speech. For Frank, it was what convinced him to vote for Obama. In it,
Obama talked about all the things he would do like undoing NAFTA, fixing
immigration, renewal of commitment to civil liberties. Not only did he do
none of what he promised. He pushed more trade deals, now the TPP which is
his signature achievement. Civil liberties? And he's the deporter in chief.
He went back on every promise. He was going to help people who'd been hurt
by the financial crash. Instead, he brought all the Clinton people on board
who'd caused the crash, and he helped the banks. These people, these,
"liberal" democrats, sound so nice, just like madeline Albright whom you
heard speak and whom you liked so much that you can't believe that she said
what she said, what she's ben quoted saying and what I heard her say on a
video of that speech, that it was worth it that 500,000 Iraqi children died
as a result of our sanctions. So Obama sounds so nice. He speaks so
beautifully, and you believe that he means what he says. So what about when
he said, "I'm getting really good at killing people"? I heard him say it and
it's been quoted. He sounds so nice and he takes personal responsibility
for a kill list every Tuesday, a list of people, most of whom, haven't
done anything yet, but who might do something in the future, perhaps. I
just really can't contain my outrage at how this parade of educated, wealthy
elitist criminals can be paraded on a stage in a pageant depicting our
democratic process and people can passively accept all of this.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:36 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: The mothers of the movement
all true.now excuse me while I go throw up in utter disgust...
I must say, though, that Obama's speech was, as is so usual for him, very
moving and stirring.but as we all know, words are cheap, and he does have a
silver tongue in his head.but at the same time, I believe he believes what
he is saying, it is not pandering or deceit or in any other way
disingenuous. On Jul 28, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not only that. There's no relevance to the campaign or to anything
that the
party has done, or will be doing, to help the African American
population in
any way. The whole convention is a show that has nothing to do with
reality. I posted a link to the video of the conversation between
Robert
Sheer and Thomas Frank last night. They are terrific people. Robert
Sheer
was editor of The Ramparts in the old days. Anyway, one thing they
said is
that there are 2 groups at the convention. There are real people who
have
absolutely no power and are being used, and there are people who are
there
to find jobs or get new jobs. All of the real transactions take
place at the
corporate parties where the second group can be found. The first
group are
stage dressing. And Sanders asking for a vote for Clinton by
acclamation? I
don't know how any of his delegates can manage to respect him after
that.
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice
Dampman
Humel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:10 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: The mothers of the movement
that's what I was talking about yesterday when I remarked that the
mothers'
speeches and comments sounded very scripted, run past the powers
that be for
approval, and, therefore, rather hollow...
On Jul 27, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Now that I've listened to Democracy Now, and heard the mothers of
murdered
young black people talk at the convention, my response is that this
was a
cynical use of people who have endured unspeakable tragedy, for
Hillary's
benefit. I remember hearing Sandra Bland's mother on Democracy Now
after
Hillary had contacted her. Hillary already knew she was running for
the
presidential nomination. Perhaps her campaign had begun. I'm not
sure. But
it was obvious that she cultivated a relationship with this grief
stricken
woman so that she could use her in her campaign. These women were
props in a
well planned show. Interestingly, I noted that many of the Sanders
delegates who were interviewed during the first hour of Democracy
Now, were
African American. During the campaign, the mass media kept saying
that
Bernie wasn't doing well with black people. But he sure had a lot of
black
delegates that we never heard about.
Miriam
