Alice, let's be a little fair to Carl here. Perhaps in Carl's case as an
elderly, white, small business owner of European descent Trump may not be any
worse than Clinton personally as Carl is in the GOP's target base. However,
Carl, as you noted, did correctly indicate that for the masses there are
numerous reasons why Trump is far worse than Clinton. And, I really like what
you said about not doing anything when they came for others and then they came
for me. I have always believed that and have tried to emphasize it in my
positions. That is why as much as I love to make myself feel good by writing in
a 3rd party candidate I know that selfish act will result in the destruction of
many lives at the hands of the Trumpster.
Frank
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:14 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: The mothers of the movement
Carl,
I take issue with only one thing you say here, and, it seems to me, you
actually take issue with it yourself. Of course, it is not a contest, but, IMO,
Trump is far more evil than $Clinton, either one of them. I guess what is more
to the point is that they are evil in different ways. Much of what Hillary says
might well be paying lip service, but Trump doesn't even do that. His bigotry,
xenophobia, contempt, the ruthlessness with which he viciously goes after
anyone and everyone, any group, that he for whatever reason, dislikes, and
there are so many of them, his support of torture, of deportation of of
immigrants and the resulting destruction of their families and lives, the glee
with which he spoke the words that have devastated so many lives, "You're
fired!", his discrimination against people of color, his treatment of women,
people with disabilities, and do you notice he actually never addresses the
prison issue? But you can bet with better odds than in any of his crooked
casinos, that he supports private and brutal prisons, on and on it goes. He is
filled with hate.
Later in your message, after you claim that he is no worse than Killary, you
then go on to outline yourself several of the ways in which he is much worse.
And to trot out the old saw, he went after the fill in the blank, and I did not
speak up, because I was not a fill in the blank. Then, he came for me, and
there was no one left to speak up for me.
As sure as I'm sitting here, he will indeed come after us, be it the working
class, the disabled, women, Muslims, you name it, no group will be beyond the
scope of his hate.
Again, it may be lip service, but I think Hillary really does believe in the
causes she speaks about to some degree, some of the causes you rightfully point
out to which both parties should be dedicating themselves.
Hillary's speech left a very bad taste in my mouth, and Chelsea's intro was so
painful, she looked and sounded as if she had been drugged and turned into some
kind of robot...she kept swiveling her head back and forth, back and forth,
and she spoke like a Stepford wife, it was creepy. And the fact that Hillary
read her Good Night Moon does not qualify Hillary to be president. Talk about
pandering...lots of grandparents out there...
So, yes, under his thousands of dollars fancy suit, Trump is wearing the red
suit, carrying the pitchfork, that hair is covering up the horns, and we all
already far too much about his Schwanz. Ugh.
I say this through clenched teeth and with a sick feeling, but I guess, barring
any new information, that I will be forced to vote for Hillary. Jill Stein
doesnt have a snowball's chance in hell, and, at this point, neither does
Sanders. Trump is a disgrace even as a human being, let alone as a public
figure. And, Hillary got it right when she said that when he can be called out
by a Tweet, do you really want him anywhere near nuclear weapons?
I'm not saying anything new here, really. But, IMO, Trump is far, far more of a
monster than anyone else in the public eye right now. That doesn't mean I like
the alternatives very much, either.
Alice 't Jul 29, 2016, at 12:31 AM, Carl Jarvis
<carjar82@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Since this Democratic Convention was all about Hillary Clinton,
everyone who climbed the podium and took the mike understood that they
were promoting Hillary Clinton for president. In fact, I was deeply
moved by the mother's stories of their murdered children. At the time
I did not think of the purpose behind showcasing these three very
moving accounts. Could it have been an effort to connect with the
Black vote? Since I did not hear of any family members of the
murdered police officers being featured, I can only assume it is the
Democrats effort to smooth over the hard feelings of Hillary's past
support of legislation that wound up expanding our private prisons,
and filling them with Black and Brown slave labor.
As an aside, I understand that the slave laborers who helped build the
White House, were well fed and well housed, which, if true, is in
stark contrast to the food and medical care our current prison slaves
receive.
But back to the convention. It's a showcase of all the imagined
accomplishments of the Democrats, led by the fearless and well
qualified leader, Hillary Clinton. Watching the acrobatics and
manipulative antics was embarrassing. But even worse were some of the
pandering speeches. Still, there were some very thoughtful
discussions on democracy now, which is something that did not happen
during the Trump Reality Show.
I am still troubled by the numbers of political leaders who continue
to make this a battle between Clinton and Trump, with no discussion
about the failure of the two parties to meet the basic needs of the
American People. I could agree with people saying that we need to
support the Democrats...including Clinton, and build the Progressive
Movement to a place where it can force the president to lean to the
Left. But too many of them are doing exactly what they claim they are
not doing, making this a negative, lessor of two evils. I have heard
Trump described in such crazy terms that he comes up looking like
Satan, with the red suit, horns, pitchfork and forked tail. Donald
Trump is no more of a monster than is Hillary Clinton, a charge both
sides are making of the other. In fact, these two ambitious people
are struggling for the Brass Ring, for the sake of winning. If they
truly loved their country, and if they wanted to raise the standard of
living, and bring back that Great American Dream, a job, a home and a
family, they would be discussing issues. They would be proposing
community involvement. They would lay out plans to bring back jobs,
to demand a living minimum wage, show us how they propose to lower
medical costs and include All Americans. They would stop the blood
suckers who are forcing our children into debt before they even have a
college degree or a job. They would announce how they plan to fully
fund our Veterans Hospitals.
We know for a fact that Donald Trump has no plans. If he did, he
would not need to repeat phrases like, "Trust me!", or, "I'm going to
make America great again!"
Great? Which year was that? Do you mean, Mister Trump, the 1880's to
the 1920's? Those wonderful years, if you were White, Male and had a
wealthy daddy. Working Class families never lived in that "Great
America" you speak of, Mister Trump. Black families never lived in
that America of Plenty. Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, Jews,
and so many of the starving immigrants from Ireland and Europe never
enjoyed a minute of that Greatness you boast about.
It's a bare faced lie. It's time we called it what it is, White
Supremacy. Donald Trump represents a last mass effort for White men
to hold onto power. And if Hillary Clinton really believed some of
the progressive stuff she spouts, she would chew up Trump and spit him
out.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/27/16, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Now that I've listened to Democracy Now, and heard the mothers of murdered
young black people talk at the convention, my response is that this was a
cynical use of people who have endured unspeakable tragedy, for Hillary's
benefit. I remember hearing Sandra Bland's mother on Democracy Now after
Hillary had contacted her. Hillary already knew she was running for the
presidential nomination. Perhaps her campaign had begun. I'm not sure. But
it was obvious that she cultivated a relationship with this grief stricken
woman so that she could use her in her campaign. These women were props in
a
well planned show. Interestingly, I noted that many of the Sanders
delegates who were interviewed during the first hour of Democracy Now, were
African American. During the campaign, the mass media kept saying that
Bernie wasn't doing well with black people. But he sure had a lot of black
delegates that we never heard about.
Miriam
