oh, yes, indeed, Angela’s Ashes really stirred up incredible hostility,
resentment, and fury among the Irish who so love their Irish heritage and
all things Irish.
That is a very good example of what you mention in your opening statements.
McCourt’s brother also wrote a book, not a novel, and it pretty much tells the
same kind of story from his viewpoint and also deals with other times in their
lives.
So, there it is, one truth does not negate all others when it comes to
experiences and certainly not in the interpretation of those experiences and
the far-reaching effects of experiences. One person living a past life of
horrible deprivation becomes a selfish, miserly bastard, another vows, along
with Scarlet, never to be hungry again, another dedicates him/herself to
alleviating the suffering of those around him/her in the present day.
And no matter what course of action is taken in later life, the person will be
lauded by some and vilified by others...
On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes that's true. But one also has to remember that when you listen to an
individual who experienced trauma because of war and dislocation, you are
hearing about it through the lens of that person's subjective view. He knows
what he saw and what he experienced. But he may or may not have all of the
facts, and therefore, his analysis of the situation is going to be
subjective, not objective. One of the people who used to drive me to
medical appointments, came here from Ireland in the 60's or 70's. One day
she asked me if I'd read, Angela's Ashes. I said that I had. She responded,
"I just want you to know that everything in that book is a lie". In case,
you haven't read it, it's a novel which is a fictionalized version of the
author's life when is poverty stricken parents had to return from the US to
Ireland, and it described what life was like if one was very poor and lived
there. The person who disliked the book, is very attached to her Irish
background. I suppose that she wasn't as poor as the author was, or,
perhaps, she just perceived things very differently from him. I accept the
author's version, but I also know that not everyone sees things as he does.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Miriam, there were wealthy and poor Jews (or any group for that matter) in
any environment; and obviously some made it toeh US. Also don't believe
everything you read as it is often an oversimplification of what is being
stated. For instance one part of the wealth of U.S. Jews came due to World
War 2. Last year the American Council of the Blind held its conference in
Dallas and one of the optional tours was to a holocaust museum. It was a
very powerful tour. I have been to holocaust memorials before but what made
this different was that we had a talk from a 92 year old holocaust survivor.
One thing he emphasized is that the history books are simplified and to the
point of being incomplete. He spoke greatly about how the Nationalists were
able to locate hidden and/or vulnerable Jews because some of the
enterprising Jew were selling out other Jews and those were the ones who
became wealthy doing that and many came to the U.S. quite comfortably. Once
the Nationalists became powerful enough the ones that remained found that
they had to use their ill gotten gains to save themselves. His point was
that the history books pay little or no attention to that important detail.
My point about his point is that sometimes there is value in putting down
the books, web sites and articles and listening to the oral traditions of
the tribe.
Frank
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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:53 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
I had no idea that in Lithuania, there were any Jewish aristocrats. I
remember reading that there was a Jewish community in Lithuania that was
wiped out, that there's a cemetery there, holding bodies of all the Jews.
From all that I've read, it seemed like most of the wealthy Jewish families
were in Germany. I thought that, that was why in America, the German Jews
tended to look down on the Jews who came here from other eastern european
countries.
Miriam
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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:49 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Alice, Yeah it is none of your bees wax! No seriously you know I would never
withhold any information that I can provide. As far as the towns further to
the south maybe WASP but in Sharon, definitely still mostly Jewish. TO
answer your question as to what type of Wall Street tycoon Nina's father is,
short answer is a wealthy one. Honestly I cannot provide much, if any, more
information as it is only numbers on a computer screen to me and I have no
idea of where the family fortune comes from. The most I know is that her
ancestry hails from early 20th century Lithuanian aristocracy. Interestingly
enough I can tell you that he father did tell me that there is a clause in
her trust that says if she is in a relationship with a gentile she will
inherit the total sum of $0.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:22 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
That's how I read the original message, as a sort of guessing game, and,
given some of your previous comments, it seemed relatively clear to whom you
were referring. But after that, it did seem rather purposely cryptic.people
were a little unsure about what really went on. Just out of idle curiosity,
and of course, you don't have to answer, because it's really none of my
beeswax, but what kind of wall street power
broker and/or tycoon is Nina's father?
BTW, I'd also question your characterization of such communities as
predominantly Jewish and Catholic.I'd say more likely WASP. I don't know
about Sharon specifically,but many of those Cape communities are so
staunchly WASP, you know, the Cabots and the Lodges sort...On Sep 11, 2016,
at 4:46 PM, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alice, I am not trying to be cryptic. I told you what I was told.
Nina's father told me that he attended a invitation only private talk by
Stein and one of her staffers at the men's club. In addition to the the
environmental issues on the invitation the other topics were mention that I
already spoke about. I didn't mention Stein by name because I thought it
would be afun guessing exercise for a Sunday fternoon. That's it, nothing
more. Just a discussion with Nina's dad about the private fund raiser. I
didn't ask for more information as I have had enough bad experiences with
the grens in my life and I don't want to be involved with more. It is his
money, he can do with as he pleases. Besides I can't afford the price of
admission.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:28 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
this could so easily be cleared up if you'd tell us what you know
instead of being deliberately cryptic and mysterious.or am I missing
something?
On Sep 11, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Frank Ventura
<frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
wrote:
Miriam, you say it was Clinton, I was told it was someone
else. I trust what I was told and need no further verification. If you want
to pursue it further I provided you with a link to the speaker coordinator
in my first response to you. You are free to contact him if you wish.
Frank
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Well, what you wrote does sound like heresay. It includes
snide inuendoes
with no way to verify anything; who the candidate is, a
video or or written
transcript of the speech. So we take at face value that you
have a wealthy
wife and wealthy inlaws, attended a gathering of these
people, and while
there, heard someone tell you about a campaign event which
that person may
or may not have attended, and you are telling us this story,
heard at a
social gathering, and implying that this unnamed candidate
is saying very
different things to wealthy donors from what is said on the
campaign trail.
Sounds like your information is about a donor event that
Hillary Clinton
attended. But since there's no hard evidence, the story
sounds less
plausible than the one about Hillary's government related
emails spread over
several devices.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Miriam, it is not from an article. I was at a basmitah in
Connecticut
yesterday with my in-laws who (well the father that is) a
life member of the
Sharon Men's club. Also his son and former business partner.
These are not
third hand writers these are real witnesses. If you want to
know more about
the candidates connection to Lexington as a career
politician (member of the
town legislature) you can google the wicopedia article on
that. I rarely
believe anything I read in artciles as they are written by
folks whose
profession is to make a profit off of their readers.
However, here is the contact for the speakers:
Joe Beberman, P.P.
Programs/Speakers
Chairman
Frank
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Could you please send links to the articles from which you
got this
information?
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Sharon Men's Club
On the south shore of Massachusetts there are a few rather
affluent towns
with predominately white, Jewish or Catholic residents. One
of these town is
Sharon, with its extremely high property values and high end
school system.
Another feature of this exclusive community is the Sharon
Men's Club. This
exclusive fraternal organization has been a who's who of the
wealthiest and
most influential families for generations. This invitation
only society is
made up of wall street power brokers and tycoons. About 3
weeks ago a
presidential candidate spoke there to court these wall
street old boys and
raise a healthy chunk of change from their wallets. This
candidate's topics
of choice for this crowd included:
Expanding the U.S.'s support of Israel and the IDF
Replacing the U.S.'s coal and natural gas industries with
renewable energy
startups from overseas (Israel and Scandinavia)
Using recycling to promote environmental growth through tree
planting in the
scorched earth areas of Israel
Have you figured out who this candidate is who courted these
high dollar
donors? If not a few more clues. This candidate is a direct
descendant of a
gilded age robber baron and grew up quite wealthy. This
candidate lives in
one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of the wealthy town of
Lexington, MA,
but in their younger days liked to covert in the hot tubs of
the Hamptons.
So have you figured out who is courting these wealthy
conservative donors in
the Men's Clubs, Country Clubs, and Synagogues of America's
elitist areas?
