Miriam, there were wealthy and poor Jews (or any group for that matter) in any
environment; and obviously some made it toeh US. Also don't believe everything
you read as it is often an oversimplification of what is being stated. For
instance one part of the wealth of U.S. Jews came due to World War 2. Last year
the American Council of the Blind held its conference in Dallas and one of the
optional tours was to a holocaust museum. It was a very powerful tour. I have
been to holocaust memorials before but what made this different was that we had
a talk from a 92 year old holocaust survivor. One thing he emphasized is that
the history books are simplified and to the point of being incomplete. He spoke
greatly about how the Nationalists were able to locate hidden and/or vulnerable
Jews because some of the enterprising Jew were selling out other Jews and those
were the ones who became wealthy doing that and many came to the U.S. quite
comfortably. Once the Nationalists became powerful enough the ones that
remained found that they had to use their ill gotten gains to save themselves.
His point was that the history books pay little or no attention to that
important detail. My point about his point is that sometimes there is value in
putting down the books, web sites and articles and listening to the oral
traditions of the tribe.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:53 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
I had no idea that in Lithuania, there were any Jewish aristocrats. I remember
reading that there was a Jewish community in Lithuania that was wiped out, that
there's a cemetery there, holding bodies of all the Jews.
From all that I've read, it seemed like most of the wealthy Jewish families
were in Germany. I thought that, that was why in America, the German Jews
tended to look down on the Jews who came here from other eastern european
countries.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:49 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Alice, Yeah it is none of your bees wax! No seriously you know I would never
withhold any information that I can provide. As far as the towns further to the
south maybe WASP but in Sharon, definitely still mostly Jewish. TO answer your
question as to what type of Wall Street tycoon Nina's father is, short answer
is a wealthy one. Honestly I cannot provide much, if any, more information as
it is only numbers on a computer screen to me and I have no idea of where the
family fortune comes from. The most I know is that her ancestry hails from
early 20th century Lithuanian aristocracy. Interestingly enough I can tell you
that he father did tell me that there is a clause in her trust that says if she
is in a relationship with a gentile she will inherit the total sum of $0.
Frank
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:22 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
That's how I read the original message, as a sort of guessing game, and, given
some of your previous comments, it seemed relatively clear to whom you were
referring. But after that, it did seem rather purposely cryptic.people were a
little unsure about what really went on. Just out of idle curiosity, and of
course, you don't have to answer, because it's really none of my beeswax, but
what kind of wall street power
broker and/or tycoon is Nina's father?
BTW, I'd also question your characterization of such communities as
predominantly Jewish and Catholic.I'd say more likely WASP. I don't know about
Sharon specifically,but many of those Cape communities are so staunchly WASP,
you know, the Cabots and the Lodges sort...On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Frank
Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alice, I am not trying to be cryptic. I told you what I was told.
Nina's father told me that he attended a invitation only private talk by Stein
and one of her staffers at the men's club. In addition to the the environmental
issues on the invitation the other topics were mention that I already spoke
about. I didn't mention Stein by name because I thought it would be afun
guessing exercise for a Sunday fternoon. That's it, nothing more. Just a
discussion with Nina's dad about the private fund raiser. I didn't ask for more
information as I have had enough bad experiences with the grens in my life and
I don't want to be involved with more. It is his money, he can do with as he
pleases. Besides I can't afford the price of admission.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:28 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
this could so easily be cleared up if you'd tell us what you know
instead of being deliberately cryptic and mysterious.or am I missing something?
On Sep 11, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Frank Ventura
<frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
wrote:
Miriam, you say it was Clinton, I was told it was someone else.
I trust what I was told and need no further verification. If you want to pursue
it further I provided you with a link to the speaker coordinator in my first
response to you. You are free to contact him if you wish.
Frank
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<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Well, what you wrote does sound like heresay. It includes snide
inuendoes
with no way to verify anything; who the candidate is, a video
or or written
transcript of the speech. So we take at face value that you
have a wealthy
wife and wealthy inlaws, attended a gathering of these people,
and while
there, heard someone tell you about a campaign event which that
person may
or may not have attended, and you are telling us this story,
heard at a
social gathering, and implying that this unnamed candidate is
saying very
different things to wealthy donors from what is said on the
campaign trail.
Sounds like your information is about a donor event that
Hillary Clinton
attended. But since there's no hard evidence, the story sounds
less
plausible than the one about Hillary's government related
emails spread over
several devices.
Miriam
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<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:31 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Miriam, it is not from an article. I was at a basmitah in
Connecticut
yesterday with my in-laws who (well the father that is) a life
member of the
Sharon Men's club. Also his son and former business partner.
These are not
third hand writers these are real witnesses. If you want to
know more about
the candidates connection to Lexington as a career politician
(member of the
town legislature) you can google the wicopedia article on that.
I rarely
believe anything I read in artciles as they are written by
folks whose
profession is to make a profit off of their readers.
However, here is the contact for the speakers:
Joe Beberman, P.P.
Programs/Speakers
Chairman
Frank
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sharon Men's Club
Could you please send links to the articles from which you got
this
information?
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Sharon Men's Club
On the south shore of Massachusetts there are a few rather
affluent towns
with predominately white, Jewish or Catholic residents. One of
these town is
Sharon, with its extremely high property values and high end
school system.
Another feature of this exclusive community is the Sharon Men's
Club. This
exclusive fraternal organization has been a who's who of the
wealthiest and
most influential families for generations. This invitation only
society is
made up of wall street power brokers and tycoons. About 3 weeks
ago a
presidential candidate spoke there to court these wall street
old boys and
raise a healthy chunk of change from their wallets. This
candidate's topics
of choice for this crowd included:
Expanding the U.S.'s support of Israel and the IDF
Replacing the U.S.'s coal and natural gas industries with
renewable energy
startups from overseas (Israel and Scandinavia)
Using recycling to promote environmental growth through tree
planting in the
scorched earth areas of Israel
Have you figured out who this candidate is who courted these
high dollar
donors? If not a few more clues. This candidate is a direct
descendant of a
gilded age robber baron and grew up quite wealthy. This
candidate lives in
one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of the wealthy town of
Lexington, MA,
but in their younger days liked to covert in the hot tubs of
the Hamptons.
So have you figured out who is courting these wealthy
conservative donors in
the Men's Clubs, Country Clubs, and Synagogues of America's
elitist areas?
