Bob,
I think, perhaps, you need to learn a bit more about Mayor Pete's background. A
hedge fund guy who's been involved with the CIA, who contributed money to a
company that developed an app to be produced at the last minute in the Iowa
caucuses and claimed victory there before any votes were counted, is a bit
suspect, perhaps not the right person to be the leader of an empire? Aside from
making money and doing dirty deeds for the CIA, his only political experience
is as mayor of a small city where his record with the black community is not
great.
As for people who are imprisoned, having the vote, I think that it is an error
to assume that someone who is in prison because that person has been found
guilty of committing a violent act, should not have the right to vote. But
before we even discuss that, I think it's an error to discard a good candidate
because you disagree with some of his positions. I have some disagreements with
Bernie Sanders on some issues, but the question is, if you look at the whole
picture and what issues are most important for most people in the country, and
the positions that the other candidates hold on those positions, then the ones
that I differ with him on, seem rather insignificant.
The question of who is accused of what kinds of crimes and just who it is in
this society who commits the most violence against people, is so much more
complicated than it appears on the surface. Some guy, who robs a liquor store
because he's desperate for the money to feed his family or to feed his drug
habit, and he commits a violent act in terror of being caught. Can I put myself
in his shoes? Do I know what kind of life he's lived or what he is thinking or
feeling? Isn't he a victim of a society that marginalizes whole groups of
people so that they don't live secure lives with a loving family , homes,
enough food, a decent education, equal opportunity to thrive? Is he a violent
person who is permanently rotten to the core or is he a human being with
potential who is redeemable, who could benefit from opportunities, if only they
were provided? Should I say that he has no right to vote for the people who are
responsible for running the government that determines his fate? But given our
justice system, so many people who are in prison, may never have even committed
the crimes that they're being punished for. They may have never received proper
legal representation. They may have been forced to plead guilty. Their trials
may have been fixed by dishonest prosecutors or D A's. There are trials in
which the law stipulates that certain pertinent facts may not be disclosed
because of, "national security". We have people in high security prisons, in
solitary confinement, who are there because all of the facts in their cases
were never disclosed at trial.
This whole discussion of whether or not people should be permitted to vote
seems so crazy, given the fact that those of us who do get to vote, have
absolutely no influence over what our government does. The people who have
influence, are the ones with money. We get to vote for figureheads who do
whatever they choose, based on who has the most financial power over them.
Miriam
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Hampshire Poll
Hi Miriam,
I do agree with all of your points here. I guess I figure that maybe Mayor Pete
or Amy would be just a bit better than the ugliness of either Biden or
Bloomberg.
But now we have a bit of a cloud over Amy with this probably wrongful
conviction and her history with police. Looks like this case involved bribing
of witnesses against the defendand who later recanted and furthermore, another
person involved admitted he was the killer. Apparently it was a stray bullet
that killed an 11 year old girl as she sat by a window. If true, I’m back in
the Mayor Pete camp for now.
While my heart is mostly for Bernie we do have at least one difference. I am
against violent inmate's right to vote. IN many places, any imprisonment
sacrifices one's right to vote.
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Bob,
The media is certainly out to get Bernie, as is the leadership of the
Democratic Party. He's got lots of young people of color. But the wealthy and
powerful are running things. Everyone goes on and on about how the most
important thing is to beat Trump and that any Democratic candidate will do. I
hate Trump. I hate what the Republican Party is doing. But aside from the fact
that everyone will sound saner and be more organized, I'm not sure how having a
Mike Bloomberg or a Joe Biden would improve things for anyone except the people
who benefit directly in financial terms when a Democrat becomes President, the
leadership of the party. They have this disgusting machine which includes nancy
Pelosi and the people at CAP and the guy whose emails were so scandalous when
WikkiLeaks made them public, who's now been appointed back into the leadership,
and the machine has cooperated with the Republicans more often than not. It
does not represent the Democratic voters who keep being fooled by the party's
liberal rhetoric. Yes, the party mouths progressive social values, but it
promotes war and US empire, and it hasn't put the needs of the people first
since Johnson's war on poverty in the early 1960's. Everyone of us has been
naïve, at least until we finally learned our lesson when it turned out that
Obama was a Corporate president.
Miriam
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Hampshire Poll
Hi Miriam,
Let's see how Bernie does in states with a more diverse population. If he's
successful among minorities, then I might begin to believe that he could be
elected. No doubt, there's lots of passion for Bernie, but I'm afraid that if
Trump doesn't do him in, the media might at the behest of the corporate master.
I'd love to be proven wrong and would look forward to President Bernie, Bob
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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:07 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sanders Pulls Further Ahead of Buttigieg in New
Hampshire Poll
Bob, Why would you think that Bernie isn't electable when he's getting most of
the votes? Amy is far behind and she's a center right candidate, just like
Mayor Pete. They do fine with old more conservative white people. The majority
of the people in our country are people of color and they're young. Whenever
Bernie does campaign appearances, he has thousands of people. Amy doesn't.
Pete doesn't. He's the perfect corporate candidate. He's young, has been
involved with the CIA, and with big investment companies. What makes him
electable is the corporate media spin. Did you know that the New York Times
endorsed Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobochar? Two white women, one center right,
the other a former Republican, somewhat to her left, neither challenging our
current plutocracy.
Miriam
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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 8:49 PM
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Hampshire Poll
Hi Frank,
I noticed your disdain for Sanders.
So, who do you support for the nomination?
My heart is with Sanders but I doubt he's electable and what I want most is to
see Trump defeated in November. In the end, I'll vote for whoever is on the
other side of the ballot from Trump. If it's Biden, I'll be holding my nose. IF
it's Bernie, I'll be happy to vote for him though I fear he'd lose. I'm torn in
the primary between Mayor Pete and Amy Klobichar. I believe that Amy is most
likely to unify the nation if that is possible.
Bob Hachey
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Hampshire Poll
So if Sanders wanted Trump to win in 2016, why did he give all of his delegates
to Hillary Clinton at the Democratic Convention?
Miriam
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 8:49 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sanders Pulls Further Ahead of Buttigieg in New
Hampshire Poll
Sanders only wants to make sure Trump wins. He sabotaged 2016 and he will do it
again in 2020. Obviously he cares about nothing more than his wealthy liberal
elite; certainly not the working class.
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He was the only candidate with enough votes to have beaten Trump in 2016 and
he's the only one who can beat him now. He's the only candidate who cares about
the working class and the poor and the lower middle class. He's the one with
young people and people of color who are not elderly and conservative,
supporting him. The others are all Corporate Democrats. The corporate media and
PBS and NPR and especially, MSNBC have been distorting what they report to give
you the impression that he can't win, and like last time, they'll do whatever
it takes to make him lose. They'd rather have Trump because the leadership of
the Democratic Party are all wealthy. They don't give a hoot about the base of
the party. They loved Hillary who is a war hawk and whose Clinton Foundation
took money from all of the middle eastern monarchies that her state department
supported. . Would you like Joe Biden who was opposed to school integration and
who favored mass incarceration and the financial industry? Or Pete Puttigieg
who is backed by billionaires and who wants to cut social security and
medicaide? And by the way, Sanders is the only candidate who has criticized
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Do you want our country to continue on
the path that it's on? Because all of these Democratic candidates want to
continue the status quo, more and more money going to the ultra wealthy and the
rest of us being treated like trash.
Miriam
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Anyone who believes that should buy a bridge in Brooklyn. Sanders is just
another of the many con-men in the political circus right now. He proved that
with his shenanigans in2016. I think he is running strictly to keep Trump in
office. He may be one of the least electable candidates. If he wins the
nomination Trump will laugh his way to another 4 years.
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What scares them is not the word. It's that if he won, that would mean that he
really would facilitate organizing the people to remove the advantages that the
corporations and the billionaire have. And once people began to organize and
realized that they had power and could change things, they might truly change
the system.
Miriam
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 11:21 AM
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Hampshire Poll
I'm reminded of the old radio/TV sitcom, The Life of Riley. Chester A. Riley
was fond of saying, "Don't confuse me with facts. My head is made up".
And so it is with the Democratic Establishment. Bernie is not acceptable.
It's that pesky word, "socialist" that scares them.
Socialism is okay when practiced by the Establishment, rewarding one another
with posh military contracts. But let's not get crazy and pass the goodies
around among the Working Class.
If being a Democrat or Republican means that you take the Party line and follow
your Party's orders, then I'm a Socialist. If being a Socialist means that I
must stand alongside my fellow Workers, and fight together to improve our share
of our nation's wealth, a wealth we helped to create, then I truly am a
Socialist.
Your Socialist friend, Carl Jarvis, still trying to get through to the
Democratic Party that I quit! You don't want my vote, because I vote like a
Socialist! If you don't want Bernie Sanders, then you sure don't want me!
On 2/11/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sanders Pulls Further Ahead of Buttigieg in New Hampshire Poll By Jon
Keller, CBS Boston
10 February 20
his New Hampshire primary has been a rollercoaster ride, with one last
hairpin turn in the final night of the exclusive WBZ/Boston
Globe/Suffolk University tracking poll.
Bernie Sanders appears to be cementing his hold on first place with 27
percent, while Pete Buttigieg, who had surged into a virtual tie with
Sanders as the week ended, in second with 19 percent.
And Amy Klobuchar continues her momentum from last night with a 14
percent showing, good for third place. However, she is still within
the poll's 4.4 percent margin of error of Joe Biden and Elizabeth
Warren, who placed within a fraction of each other in fourth and fifth
place.
In addition to these statewide numbers, Suffolk has also been polling
the city of Dover, a so-called bellwether community that has
foreshadowed the statewide order of finish in the last three contested
Democratic primaries.
And their response to our poll seems to confirm the statewide trend.
The Dover polling has Sanders and Buttigieg closer together, finishing
first and second within the 5.6 percent margin of error of each other.
But running solidly in third is Klobuchar, an also-ran in our poll all
week who has seemingly picked up steam off a widely-acclaimed debate
performance Friday night.
Joe Biden came in fourth, just barely ahead of Elizabeth Warren, both
within reach of Klobuchar but with a showing that has to be a
disappointment for both of them.
"This is the first time all of the survey is post-debate," notes David
Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center.
"Whether Klobuchar's spike is temporary remains to be seen. Sanders'
improvement comes in two areas: the West/North region - the four
counties that know him best - and people torn between him and Warren.
If Klobuchar were to finish third or fourth, she's going to knock
someone into that fifth spot, a real dire place to be for Biden or
Warren."
Of course, the only poll that really matters is the one in the voting
booth on Tuesday, so get out and vote and then watch your vote count
with our special primary night coverage starting at 8 p.m. on TV38
with a full wrapup on WBZ News at 11.
The exclusive WBZ-TV/Boston Globe/Suffolk University tracking poll is
a two-day rolling sample of 500 likely New Hampshire Democratic
primary voters.
