Chuck,
When you say, "deceiving a person as to their gender", are you talking about
trans gender people, or people who deceive in order to prey on a victim?
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 7:20 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Gay panic
To start with I oppose limiting a question of a defense that should be left
up to a jury to decide when a crime occurs. Secondly I am aware of instances
where a gay person has instigated a crime by deceiving a person as to their
gender and/or sexual orientation making unwanted sexual advances causing an
overreaction to occur. I believe that questions involving a criminal defense
need to be left up to a jury to decide if they are merited.
Chuck
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From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 6:42 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Gay panic
Chuck,
I'm not clear on what it was about the petition that you opposed. Could you
explain further?
Miriam
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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:07 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Gay panic
actually there is another side to this. As a gay male I know that there are
men who actually will deceive other people in how they pose or dress as a
means of concealing their real sexual identity. There are people who when
confronted by this deception will react in such a way that could result in
violence toward the perpetrator of such a ruse. I think that this type of
deception is unconscionable and having been a counselor for years and
working in the legal defense field I know people that would be shocked or
insulted that they would lose control and act accordingly. As a gay man I
opposed the legislation in California that was ultimately passed for this
reason in addition that people that deceive others give a bad name to the
group that they are trying to claim. Now I know that this opinion doesn't
fit in to the idea that progressives need to tolerant any aberrant behavior
engaged in by a so-called minority class but the bottom line I am upset more
that a personally will hide their sexual identity to entrap a person in
order to engage in sex act rather than a defendant who reacts to this can't
use any defense possible and let a jury decide so when I got this petition
in my in-box I hastily deleted it without signing.
From: Bob Hachey <mailto:bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:59 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] FW: Gay panic
Hi all,
Here's one that shocked me and that's hard to do these days. Can you believe
that in 49 states, homophobes can use "gay panic" as self-defense?
Now, That's American injustice at its best!
Cynically Speaking
Bob Hachey
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When I first heard of the "panic defense," I was shocked. A legal defense
that asserts that feeling panicked at an LGBT person's romantic advances
justifies assault or murder? And it's legal? It turns out that it is a
permissible defense in 49 out of 50 states, and has been used to fight or
reduce many people's charges.
I heard about it in the 2008 murder case of 15-year-old Larry King in
California. He had asked Brandon McInerney to be his valentine. McInerney
came to school later that day and shot King two times in the back of the
head. When McInerney went to court for his crime, he used the gay panic
defense. Because of this, McInerney received only a lesser second degree
murder sentence.
The panic defense is anti-LGBT, anti-civil rights, and anti-American. Please
join me in calling on Utah state lawmakers to ban the panic defense, in
hopes that other states follow suit.
And young Larry King was just one of many victims whose murders didn't get
the justice they deserved because of this grossly prejudicial defense. We
can't let this go on in a free country. California recently made good on a
promise not to let such a miscarriage of justice happen again. In 2014, it
became the first (and only) state to officially ban the "panic defense" in
court. It's time for the other 49 states to follow suit. Please call on Utah
state officials to ban the panic defense in Utah courts. We must not stop
fighting this travesty of justice until it is outlawed in all 50 states.
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