[bksvol-discuss] Re: question re underlined words
- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:42:07 -0500
Evan and Cindy,
I know I promised that I'd look at the book over the weekend, but I was a
bit curious after Evan's description. So I went and grabbed the braille
version of the book. Surely enough, no italics, no indentation or
formatting. This is throughout the file. I checked several spots.
As to the translator, I'm afraid, I can't answer all the questions. But to
say that it needs improvements.
I have yet to check the DAISY file and when I do, I will report further
information.
Regards,
Pratik
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:06 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re underlined words
Which verses are supposed to be indented? In the Prelude, every line is
indented the same number of spaces, two. The Braille translator removes
extra spaces, or so I've been told, and I believe it. It also seems to
remove all blank lines.
Either this Braille translator is extremely primitive, or it isn't getting
files with attributes such as bold and italics and blank lines. I have
never seen a blank line in any brf file I have downloaded. Even Megadots
from ten years ago could take a doc file from MS Word and show italics and
blank lines in the brf version. I used to work with it quite a bit. Why
this one can't do the same with rtf files is something curious. Maybe it
isn't getting the rtf file, but something stripped of all atributes. But if
so, why does the Daisy version get a better file of the book to work with?
Questions and more questions.
<smile>
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re underlined words
> Ah, well.
>
> Are the indented verses indented?
>
> It's too bad, because although most of the time it
> probably doesn't make a difference, in some books it
> does, to indicate thoughts as opposed to what's being
> spoken. Also, in sentences, it indicates stress or
> emphasis on a particular word, although that sometimes
> can be "heard" in the reading. Sometimes when I'm
> validating, in reading a line the fact that a word
> feels as if it should be stressed causes me to look at
> the book, and sure enough, it is italicized.
>
> Cindy
> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Cindy, I have downloaded the brf version of Rudyard
>> Kipling Complete Verse
>> and have read the Prelude. As I suspected, there is
>> no sign of italics
>> anywhere.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:05 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re underlined
>> words
>>
>>
>> > Thanks Gerald and Evan.
>> >
>> > Evan, it's possible that neither the scanner nor
>> the
>> > validator put the thoughts or any sections in
>> ital.
>> > I'm assuming Eragon was uploaded in rtf; I seem to
>> > remember it was a recent submission and not txt,
>> which
>> > doesn't retain anything. But unless one scanned or
>> is
>> > validating with something that indicates ital or
>> bold,
>> > he/she won't change it. Things don't seem to scan
>> iin
>> > ital, just makes it junky. smile
>> >
>> > Try downloading Rudyard Kipling Complete Verse.
>> The
>> > Prelude, p. 3, is italicized, as well as parts of
>> > other poems.
>> >
>> > Or you might try Out of Body or Elect Mr. Robinson
>> (p.
>> > 129 and some others have italicized words) or
>> Cloud
>> > Atlas (italics scattered throughout); I'm not sure
>> > what category Out of Body falls into--sort of Sci
>> fi,
>> > but certainly one of the chapters in Cloud Atlas
>> does,
>> > and I think Mr. Robinson--well, I don't know. But
>> they
>> > all have some italics in places--too scattered for
>> me
>> > to give you page numbers. Let me know what you
>> find
>> > out, i.e., if the italia=cs in these more recent
>> books
>> > sow p in braille.
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> > --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It won't come out in Braille, though, I will bet.
>> I
>> >> have a few thousand
>> >> pages of Bookshare Braille files by now from the
>> old
>> >> translator and from
>> >> when it was upgraded and I haven't seen an
>> italics
>> >> or underline symbol -
>> >> dots 4-6 anywhere. The only indication I ever
>> got
>> >> that something was
>> >> italicized was when the old Braille translator
>> used
>> >> to take a new line for
>> >> italicized text such as titles of books in the
>> text,
>> >> as when the book Dune
>> >> is refered to in the book The Road to Dune by
>> Brian
>> >> Herbert and Kevin J.
>> >> Anderson, or ship names, such as in Terry Brooks'
>> >> Straken, where the names
>> >> of the ships were always on separate lines as
>> well
>> >> as when people's thoughts
>> >> were italicized. I have seen no such indicators
>> of
>> >> italics or underlining
>> >> in any of the books done after the translator was
>> >> upgraded. I am currently
>> >> reading Eragon and am up to page 60. There are
>> >> passages where the
>> >> protagonist is thinking, and I would bet that
>> those
>> >> passages are in italics
>> >> or are otherwise indicated by a change in font,
>> or
>> >> something, but no such
>> >> indications are in the brf file. The same with
>> >> Robert Jordans' Knife of
>> >> Dreams. It seems unlikely that that 785-page
>> book
>> >> had no italics in it, but
>> >> the brf file had none at all.
>> >>
>> >> So now you have a better idea of some of the
>> stuff I
>> >> like to read. <grin>
>> >>
>> >> Evan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:17 PM
>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question re
>> underlined
>> >> words
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Not sure, but my guess is that it will since
>> HTML
>> >> supports underlining,
>> >> > and
>> >> > DAISY uses a markup language similar to HTML.
>> Try
>> >> it and see, then we'll
>> >> > know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gerald
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >> Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:51 PM
>> >> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] question re
>> underlined
>> >> words
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm helping Sharon with a nonfiction book and
>> some
>> >> of
>> >> > the handwritten words are underlined. She wants
>> >> all
>> >> > the emphases, etc., retained because they are
>> >> > important. If I underline the words, do they
>> >> remained
>> >> > underlined when the book is converted to Daisy
>> and
>> >> > BRF, or should I explain that the are
>> underlined?
>> >> I
>> >> > don't think I've come across this before--just
>> >> bold
>> >> > and ital.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
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