[bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses

  • From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT)

I believe, and from Scott said, that  only the bold and/or italicized words in 
the main content are required, since the author put them in for emphasis. Also, 
I was told recently that the headings should  be bold and caps, as well as the 
larger font(the book I just uploaded has so many different headings it looks to 
the eye ridiculous; I hope it doesn't bother any Braille or Daisy readers, but 
you can always change them yourself, ho[hopefully.
As a proofreader I don't generally bother proofing glossaries, indices or 
bibliographies; in the books I've proofed they appear to be quite usable as 
scanned; 
Ccindy
--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 9:27 AM
> Hi Scott and everyone!
> 
> I agree that the manual isn't giving optional
> information.  I just wish the 
> manual was updated to agree with transcribing rules so
> these discussions 
> wouldn't have to come up again and again so that
> instructions given onlist 
> and in the manual would agree.  When new volunteers
> come aboard, the 
> discussions fly through the list again.  I appreciate
> it that we volunteers 
> want to do the right thing so that the books will be
> well-formatted and 
> accurate.
> 
> I hope readers have a good reading experience no matter
> what method is 
> chosen for reading.
> 
> Debby
> 
> At 04:59 PM 5/25/2011, Scott Rains wrote
> >Mayrie,
> >
> >Let me rein you in on a point below.
> >
> >We never want to be telling people that the manual is
> giving optional
> >activities that aren't required. Bold and italic, like
> font size, are
> >required.
> >
> >They may be required for different reasons. Font size
> is what DAISY
> >navigates on so is technically required for navigation.
> Italics are most
> >often in the book so required as part of our adherence
> to retaining the
> >integrity of the publisher's intellectual property.
> Bold may be that or it
> >may be a way to imitate some of the font and kerning
> variations of a print
> >book as a reading aid for sighted readers.
> >
> >This is sort of the flip side of the conversation we
> had recently when you
> >asked me not to announce a change in the manual.
> >
> >scott
> >
> >On 5/21/11 12:27 PM, "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Charisma,
> > >
> > >Oh, boy.  I'm going to copy a section on the
> ellipsis that is our standard
> > >for handling them so that they represent properly
> in braille. This is what
> > >Bookshare would like you to do, please. I'll paste
> it below my signature.
> > >And then I'll save a copy for myself, because it's
> going to be a pain in
> > >the
> > >neck to copy here from the braille book that I
> have it in that tells how
> > >to
> > >format braille properly.  Tell me that you
> love me, because I have to read
> > >with two hands, remember enough to type, type it
> and go back and read some
> > >more.  But all of your questions about how to
> handle the ellipsis will be
> > >answered!
> > >
> > >As for bold, it does not denote headings, the
> enlarged size
> > >Of the font does that.  The bolding is
> helpful, and we like it, but it
> > >isn't
> > >required. So you needn't go back and fix them if
> you don't want to.
> > >Bookshare does not require that you keep either
> bold or italics.  That
> > >said,
> > >as a reader yourself, with the ability to perceive
> italics, would you
> > >personally prefer to have it in there?  Many
> do, some people don't care.
> > >My
> > >advice, leave what you've done be for this book,
> call it a learning
> > >experience, and don't remove the italics in future
> books.  Torture is not
> > >the name of the game here, and I know that there
> are lots of books from
> > >which italics have been removed by folks who
> didn't know they mattered.
> > >
> > >Okay, I'm going to paste/type below the
> information on how to properly
> > >handle the ellipsis.
> > >
> > >Mayrie
> > >
> > >The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a
> word. Examples:
> > >"Fools rush in ..."
> > >
> > >"... for they shall inherit the earth"
> > > "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ...
> > >and out."
> > >An ellipsis and a period.  Sometimes an
> ellipsis appears to be four dots
> > >rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is
> either preceded or
> > >followed by a period. Since the braille period is
> not the same as the dots
> > >of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the
> four dots is the
> > >period.
> > >
> > >If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a
> subject and a verb and
> > >express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is
> taking the place of
> > >missing
> > >words within the sentence--in which the period
> immediately follows the
> > >ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence
> is gramatically complete,
> > >the first dot represents the period and the
> ellipsis represents a
> > >following
> > >missing sentence or sentences. In this case a
> blank cell (a space) is left
> > >between the period and the following ellipsis.
> > >Example:
> > >As you can see, I have followed your career. ...
> As to my own .... Well,
> > >you
> > >know the story.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Charisma
> > >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:24 AM
> > >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bolds, italics,
> ellipses
> > >
> > >In the book I just scanned, from which I
> erroneously erased all italics
> > >and
> > >bolds, the bolds were found in the glossary, for
> each new word.
> > >
> > >Ought I to have left those bolds? I thought
> anything that was in bold
> > >indicated to the converter that that was a
> heading? Of course, in this
> > >case,
> > >perhaps each new word in the glossary ought to be
> it's own heading? I
> > >already had the beginning of the Glossary at font
> point 16.
> > >I wonder now if I ought to have made each word in
> the glossary font point
> > >14, each word a subheading.
> > >
> > >OK, and since I erased every last italic in this
> 255+ page book, ought I
> > >to
> > >go back and replace them all? I will because I
> want the book to be perfect
> > >but do I NEED to? (can you guess how I am
> hoping?  lol)
> > >
> > >Finally, ellipses.  I have a question about
> your experiences. All ellipses
> > >in these examples are three dots, not spaces
> between them. On my Victor
> > >Reader Stream, Set-up #1  If there is a word,
> then an ellipsis right up
> > >against it, then a space, then the next word, it
> reads fine; I never know
> > >there is an ellipsis there.
> > >Set-up #2 If there is a word, then a space, then
> the ellipsis, then a
> > >space,
> > >then the next word, I hear" dot dot dot".
> > >Set-up #3 If there is a word and either a space or
> no space, then an
> > >ellipsis then no space then the next word, if that
> next word has an
> > >apostrophe it will not read properly. That is, if
> the ellipsis pushes up
> > >against the word God's (like this ",,,God's"), my
> reader will read that as
> > >"dot dot dot God s"
> > >
> > >I cannot remember which book it was that was doing
> this so I can't
> > >doublecheck it in Victor Reader Soft but I am
> pretty sure these problems
> > >are
> > >the same in there.
> > >
> > >My TextAloud does not care as far as #3 goes--it
> does not neglect
> > >apostrophes.
> > >
> > >Also, hate hate hate four dot ellipses. Period OR
> ellipsis, author people,
> > >not period AND ellipsis. I made an executive
> decision and made half 4 dot
> > >and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page book I just did.
> Which shall I fix?
> > >
> > >Charisma
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