[bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses

  • From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:11:36 -0700

HI Debby,

The way this example appears on a braille display is the three dot 3's for
the ellipsis followed by the braille period.  This is because the sentence,
or words preceding the ellipsis are a sentence fragment as explained in the
text you read before the example that I sent.  

Does that make sense?

Mayrie

 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:43 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses

Hi braille display users!

First of all, Mayrie, thanks for reading and typing all of that stuff about
the elipses from your transcribing manual.  What I do when I want to
transcribe something is to record it as if I were dictating it to someone so
that I can go back and type my dictation.  It beats finding the place on the
braille page constantly after typing.

I'm wondering how your example that I will paste below my question would be
shown on a braille display.  Since I don't have one, I have no way of
knowing.

The example is:

As to my own .... Well, you
know the story.

Those four dots that get ignored while reading your post when reading
normally or heard as "period period period period" while arowing over them
seem funny to me all by them selves in the "wide open spaces", so to speak.

When I'm reading something in OpenBook while reading over my scan and come
across the combination of a period and an elipsis made up of three dots
close together, if the four dots are together, the volume level drops
considerably and doesn't return to the proper setting until I get to the
next page if I were to leave them, which I don't.  I format them as they
should be.

This elipsis business is tricky.

Debby

At 02:27 PM 5/21/2011, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>Hi Charisma,
>
>Oh, boy.  I'm going to copy a section on the ellipsis that is our 
>standard for handling them so that they represent properly in braille. 
>This is what Bookshare would like you to do, please. I'll paste it below my
signature.
>And then I'll save a copy for myself, because it's going to be a pain 
>in the neck to copy here from the braille book that I have it in that 
>tells how to format braille properly.  Tell me that you love me, 
>because I have to read with two hands, remember enough to type, type it 
>and go back and read some more.  But all of your questions about how to 
>handle the ellipsis will be answered!
>
>As for bold, it does not denote headings, the enlarged size Of the font 
>does that.  The bolding is helpful, and we like it, but it isn't 
>required. So you needn't go back and fix them if you don't want to.
>Bookshare does not require that you keep either bold or italics.  That 
>said, as a reader yourself, with the ability to perceive italics, would 
>you personally prefer to have it in there?  Many do, some people don't 
>care.  My advice, leave what you've done be for this book, call it a 
>learning experience, and don't remove the italics in future books.  
>Torture is not the name of the game here, and I know that there are 
>lots of books from which italics have been removed by folks who didn't know
they mattered.
>
>Okay, I'm going to paste/type below the information on how to properly 
>handle the ellipsis.
>
>Mayrie
>
>The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a word. Examples:
>"Fools rush in ..."
>
>"... for they shall inherit the earth"
>  "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ...
>and out."
>An ellipsis and a period.  Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four 
>dots rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either preceded 
>or followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the same as 
>the dots of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the four dots is
the period.
>
>If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb 
>and express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place 
>of missing words within the sentence--in which the period immediately 
>follows the ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is 
>gramatically complete, the first dot represents the period and the 
>ellipsis represents a following missing sentence or sentences. In this 
>case a blank cell (a space) is left between the period and the following
ellipsis.
>Example:
>As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... 
>Well, you know the story.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charisma
>Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bolds, italics, ellipses
>
>In the book I just scanned, from which I erroneously erased all italics 
>and bolds, the bolds were found in the glossary, for each new word.
>
>Ought I to have left those bolds? I thought anything that was in bold 
>indicated to the converter that that was a heading? Of course, in this 
>case, perhaps each new word in the glossary ought to be it's own 
>heading? I already had the beginning of the Glossary at font point 16.
>I wonder now if I ought to have made each word in the glossary font 
>point 14, each word a subheading.
>
>OK, and since I erased every last italic in this 255+ page book, ought 
>I to go back and replace them all? I will because I want the book to be 
>perfect but do I NEED to? (can you guess how I am hoping?  lol)
>
>Finally, ellipses.  I have a question about your experiences. All 
>ellipses in these examples are three dots, not spaces between them. On 
>my Victor Reader Stream, Set-up #1  If there is a word, then an 
>ellipsis right up against it, then a space, then the next word, it 
>reads fine; I never know there is an ellipsis there.
>Set-up #2 If there is a word, then a space, then the ellipsis, then a 
>space, then the next word, I hear" dot dot dot".
>Set-up #3 If there is a word and either a space or no space, then an 
>ellipsis then no space then the next word, if that next word has an 
>apostrophe it will not read properly. That is, if the ellipsis pushes 
>up against the word God's (like this ",,,God's"), my reader will read 
>that as "dot dot dot God s"
>
>I cannot remember which book it was that was doing this so I can't 
>doublecheck it in Victor Reader Soft but I am pretty sure these 
>problems are the same in there.
>
>My TextAloud does not care as far as #3 goes--it does not neglect 
>apostrophes.
>
>Also, hate hate hate four dot ellipses. Period OR ellipsis, author 
>people, not period AND ellipsis. I made an executive decision and made 
>half 4 dot and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page book I just did. Which shall I
fix?
>
>Charisma
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